Coronavirus 2019-nCoV

[wsushox1]

I don't know the answer, but I just hope the economical carnage we are inflicting on ourselves is worth it. Because it's easy for someone who can work at home to say everyone should stay home.

But not everyone, and I would feel confident in saying that those in the bottom income levels in our society, can work from home.

So, as usual, the well off are going to be fine. Yeah their 401ks are gonna be set back a few years, but they'll be fine. That person that had their job for a year thinking things were starting to look good, just got kicked in the sac again. And the single mom who was making some decent money as a receptionist now.... just sucks. The burden seems very regressive.

But, I just hope this was the right thing to do. Cause I wonder if someone could have the choice of taking their chances with the virus or their job, which one they would choose. That choice is being made for them by mayors and governors right now. Cause if they don't do anything, they get raked over the coals by the people with voices. So they have to do 'something'.

And, I'll admit that I don't have confidence that politicians look out for my best interests. They look out for theirs. And whatever happens, they'll be fine. So will the ones with the voices.

Just the stuff going through my head right now.

Yep - well said. I’m generally of the opinion that what we are doing right now is incredibly important to buy us more time until we can develop a better testing and surveillance system (if that’s even possible). But there is a relative risk to EVERY decision. We just don’t know.

[revenge_of_shocka_khan]

Its perfectly okay to be worried its just not okay to "panic" Panic being subjective and open to debate.

I told a friend last night, If I'm not feeling well, I call in and theres no questions asked. I have PTO accrued and its paid for. I think we all agree that immediately makes me luckier than a majority in the workforce. I picked up a PT job for extra Christmas money (fast food). Woke up one morning feverish and was told if I don't produce a doctors note or show up for my shift then I would be terminated.

The puking or dying way of things is great in theory but in the scenario above who do you think is more likely to spread a virus and who is more likely "safer" from the a virus? If theres anything I hope changes going forward... its that.

Precisely why I am not eating at fast food restaurants. I am patronizing local businesses, perhaps will branch out (if I can identify more) because small businesses probably won't get the bailouts the big ones will. But your scenario hits the nail right on the head. I don't want to go to fast food restaurants for that exact reason.

[ShockingButTrue]

A couple of comments:

The seasonal flu numbers are estimates based on predictive numbers over a year. The Coronavirus numbers are confirmed cases in the last six weeks. You are talking about an order of one or several magnitude difference there.

You have a snapshot of numbers. No one is worried about where the numbers are today. They are worried about where the numbers will be in 60 days. You need to look at the growth chart. To illustrate this, look at your chart from four days ago. The flu deaths increased 5%. The Coronavirus deaths increased 200%.

Context matters buddy. You're smarter than that...

What's the growth chart for Ground Zero? You haven't one time, that I've noticed, presented that as evidence... You kind of ignore it when it is cited.

China, and not just Wuhan, currently has 3,508 active cases. Of 81,054 reported cases 72,440 have recovered. The numbers peaked Feb. 12th. They've been basically flat-lining since 3/01/2020. When you reply to this no need to remind me of their lock-down measures because China has a billion people. Those are the real numbers at Ground Zero, and beyond.

Have you researched the S. Korean model yet? Can you share it with us?

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

Precisely why I am not eating at fast food restaurants. I am patronizing local businesses, perhaps will branch out (if I can identify more) because small businesses probably won't get the bailouts the big ones will. But your scenario hits the nail right on the head. I don't want to go to fast food restaurants for that exact reason.

I wish I could tell you they had a monopoly on this but its prevalent everywhere.

[revenge_of_shocka_khan]

Oh look! The board moron, who apparently cares more about his financial investments than the community at large is awake and alive and gratuitously insulting people (again).

Did Rush tell you to do that? And by the way, given the reliability of your predictions (or perhaps its your ignorance) you probably ought to consider trying a little face-saving at this point. You're just digging your hole a little deeper and removing all doubt of what and who you are.

[wufan]

Context matters buddy. You're smarter than that...

Yep. That’s why I provided context for you. Your number chart provided no context.

[wufan]

Context matters buddy. You're smarter than that...

What's the growth chart for Ground Zero? You haven't one time, that I've noticed, presented that as evidence... You kind of ignore it when it is cited.

China, and not just Wuhan, currently has 3,508 active cases. Of 81,054 reported cases 72,440 have recovered. The numbers peaked Feb. 12th. They've been basically flat-lining since 3/01/2020. When you reply to this no need to remind me of their lock-down measures because China has a billion people. Those are the real numbers at Ground Zero, and beyond.

I’m pretty sure you and I both know the Chinese growth chart. How is it it relevant? They locked everything down, as you noted. Why is the Chinese model relevant. They lie about statistics. Why is the Chinese model relevant? Do you think that as soon as we hit 75K infected that the graph will suddenly flat line because it did in China?

[ShockerDropOut]

The numbers I am seeing are these. Since last Sunday, the confirmed cases in the U.S. are up over 8x https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/. People are not taking this serious and with the growth we are seeing it is going to get MUCH worse. Think martial law people. ShockerPrez, you are exactly right. This is going to effect the hourly workforce much more than those on salary. I am retired and worked a fun job to make things easier for my wife and I. That is gone for the foreseeable future. We will be ok though. There are those I worked with that will not however. Those people absolutely relied, NEEDED those wages to live, to eat, to care for their families. I weep for those people. I am doing what I can to help, but honestly, it is not nearly enough.

I am about as right wing conservative as anyone on this board, but it is time for big business, looking at you Textron, to step up and sacrifice for the common good of our country. Yes, sacrifice corporate profits for the good of everyone. Sacrifice outragous executive salaries for the good of everyone. Without EVERYONE pulling together, I fear this country will splinter apart or become so dependent on government handouts, that we will never recover. Many will disagree with what I say, that is ok. We dont have to agree, but we do have to work together to overcome this crisis. I am encouraged by the small companies that are trying to help, Meddy's for one example. We are at a turning point in this country, socialism is knocking at the door and there are many, many people that want to let it in. I would hate for that to occur during my lifetime, but I fear it is near.

End rant.

[wufan]

Have you researched the S. Korean model yet? Can you share it with us?

Well South Korea instituted Marshall law. They provided their police with hazmat gear and they are arresting dissenters that would go to a gathering. It’s half way between what we are doing and what China is doing.

[wufan]

On March 17 the US had 6400 confirmed cases and 109 total deaths. Today alone we have over 8000 new cases and 90 deaths.

[ShockerDropOut]

On March 17 the US had 6400 confirmed cases and 109 total deaths. Today alone we have over 8000 new cases and 90 deaths.

Over 14000 new cases now.

[Kung Wu]

Please take arguments to the new debate thread. This thread is better suited for information and general discussion. I'm going to move this thread to Off Topic, instead of politics, as it has mostly been sane discussion with useful information being shared.

[Kung Wu]

I believe that yesterday will be the first day we can point to to say that Italy is now tapering off. I think their death rate will be far worse than most of the rest of the world's but my reasoning belongs in the debate thread. Fingers crossed that they are now tapering.

[wufan]

Over 14000 new cases now.

12K cases confirmed in NYC today. Have to think that is a result of testing kit availability.

[wufan]

I believe that yesterday will be the first day we can point to to say that Italy is now tapering off. I think their death rate will be far worse than most of the rest of the world's but my reasoning belongs in the debate thread. Fingers crossed that they are now tapering.

I think you are making an early presumption. It could be the case, but get back to me in three days.