Bijan Cortes | 6' 3" - G | OU Transfer | SHOCKER!!

[asiseeit]

Give McBride a chance. At least he is a pure PG.

[WuDrWu]

That’s s new directive from the Pentagon, that’s right out of G2 and G3 making a combined G5 basketball position, experimenting with a new position, point-center.

We are here in Wichita doing a survey, asking if everyone likes it.

I don’t like it, I don’t like it at all. Put down one “no”, one “against”.

Boy if I get gas no one is ever going to believe I'm an officer.

[Aargh]

We've had multiple rosters in the past few years that did not have a "true PG". We had Gilbert for one year. We had Sherfield for one unremarkable year. Porter seems like he cam here as a combo and became a PG in his last year and a half. Porter was plagued by TO's his first couple of years here.

[ShockTalk]

We've had multiple rosters in the past few years that did not have a "true PG". We had Gilbert for one year. We had Sherfield for one unremarkable year. Porter seems like he cam here as a combo and became a PG in his last year and a half. Porter was plagued by TO's his first couple of years here.

Where is all this coming from? I'll repeat what I posted in a rebuttal in another thread just yesterday.

"Craig Porter:

28 assists 10 turnovers 1st Shocker year
91 assists 48 turnovers 2nd year (Gilbert the previous year was 91/49)
153 assists 79 turnovers 3rd year

Not that A/TO is everything"

I'll add: In Porter's 1st year, he started 2 games, Gilbert didn't start 2 games. Gilbert played just under 30 MPG. Porter played almost 13 mpg (so yes, he played a little at SG). He was here primarily as a PG but could play either.

[Dan]

Stats aside, I just remember what I saw with Porter. He was injured year 1 and played behind Gilbert, which meant he barely played. Year 2 our resident coach IB made Tyson the primary player/ballhandler. CP was a solid player on that team but far from the "go-to" player. Late in the year he looked really special, even drew high praise from Kelvin Sampson who said he would take Craig Porter on his team any day. Year 3 he was finally given the reigns. He had several very sloppy games and his PG skills were questioned by several on here, including me. That said, his basketball skills were never questioned. Pretty much everyone thought he was the best player on the floor most nights, from both teams. He just played better not having to be the lead guard some of the time. He had kind of a methodical/lackadaisical style combined with some unnecessary risk taking with his passing. He really turned it around as the year went on and of course continued to improve, just as he is still doing. Just because he made it to the NBA, does not mean we need to re-write history and act like he was FVV his entire time here.

[Shockm]

CP came as a PG on a National Championship Juco Team (Vincennes had a great reputation as a basketball school). He had lots of skills that aren't part of a "True" PG that haven't been mentioned here. A lot of people wanted him to be a what (PG skills wise) they pictured he should be. For example, as a PG, he was athletic enough to guard a quick 5'10" PG, but was tall and long enough to guard a 6'5 Small Forward. He was a good enough rebounder, and shot blocker, to be a Top Team Rebounder, and Top Team Shot Blocker. These are unusual skills for a PG, so a lot of people wanted him to fit their picture of what a PG should be, instead of Brown, and the team, fitting the offense into his skills. His players around him, weren't always very good either which makes it difficult to have a team game. The other team could just double him, and get the ball out of his hands, so ball screens didn't work. Brown and WSU didn't or couldn't adjust.

I could go on and on, but I'll sum it up by saying that Shock Talk is closer to what is true than the people who criticized CP as a PG from Day 1. His skills were there from Day 1.

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

Where is all this coming from? I'll repeat what I posted in a rebuttal in another thread just yesterday.

"Craig Porter:

28 assists 10 turnovers 1st Shocker year
91 assists 48 turnovers 2nd year (Gilbert the previous year was 91/49)
153 assists 79 turnovers 3rd year

Not that A/TO is everything"

I'll add: In Porter's 1st year, he started 2 games, Gilbert didn't start 2 games. Gilbert played just under 30 MPG. Porter played almost 13 mpg (so yes, he played a little at SG). He was here primarily as a PG but could play either.

NBA Summer League:

5.3 APG
2.5 TO
2.12 A/TO ratio

NBA Preseason:

9 assists
3 TO

3.00 A/TO ratio

[forevershockerfan]

So is another option for Cortes to become eligible to play the 2nd semester for all of our of this Season's AAC games?

[shoxlax]

So is another option for Cortes to become eligible to play the 2nd semester for all of our of this Season's AAC games?

Yes but if it comes to that, it it bullshit.

[ShoxFan7]

[Regul8te]

Welcome to Wichita State Coach Mills!!!

[Atxshoxfan]

It's not the end of the world. Don't go blowing your heads off. We all knew this would be a transitional year or 2.
Just go support the kids on the floor. Show up for their games and be loud. That's what will encourage talent to come in the future. Empty seats and jeers will not.

[C0|dB|00ded]

Have we ever got a favorable ruling in these situations of any consequence?

The Cheaters would send a 5-man legal team to camp out at the NCAA office while pulling every backroom lever known to mankind until a resolution in their favor was achieved. We do the equivalent of having a student assistant call the customer service number and waiting on hold all day.

We are paying -- "college players" -- to play...

[Kung Wu]

Have we ever got a favorable ruling in these situations of any consequence?

The Cheaters would send a 5-man legal team to camp out at the NCAA office while pulling every backroom lever known to mankind until a resolution in their favor was achieved. We do the equivalent of having a student assistant call the customer service number and waiting on hold all day.

We are paying -- "college players" -- to play...

Compare the makeup of our General Counsel to KU's. You won't like what you find one bit, especially regarding athletics. Reorganizing and staffing up our G.C. to be on par with K-State's and KU's would be one area where Muma can make a substantial positive difference in our athletics.

[Aargh]

Let me see if I've got this right. I've had a few posts lately I thought were correct, but weren't.

If a player is ineligible at the school he transfers from, he has to sit a year at the school he transfers to. I'm not certain that's the correct interpretation of the NCAA rule.

On April 16, it was posted that Cortes had committed. Grades for the Spring semester weren't available that early.

From here on out, I'm just speculating.

Mills was confident Cortes would be eligible after taking some summer classes. This leads me to believe that if Cortes had taken those classes at OU, and passed them, he would have been eligible at OU. That didn't change the fact that he was ineligible at the time he transferred, which triggered the one-year sit out. That's why he still needs a waiver for second semester.

If that much is true, and Cortes just blew off his second semester classes, then Mills got totally sandbagged by the situation. By the time Mills could have learned there was a problem, the top PG's in the portal were heavily in the camps of other schools. Mills would have been late on entering their recruitment, and I think I remember a long list of P5 suitors already in the hunt for the PG's Mills was trying to recruit.