Recruiting Questions

[forevershockerfan]

Trop is spot on. We the SN-ers come here first and foremost. I really like Landry and Tyler Brown. However, another solid big man would not hurt my feelers. April should fill in the remaining piece or pieces of the Shocker puzzle for next Season in terms of recruits. Will we sign 1, 2, or 3??? The following recruiting session in the Fall will be huge with 5 more Seniors graduating. This will be a reload session. Stay tuned.

[SubGod22]

I still don't understand the fascination by so many with bringing in another big man this year. We already have 4 and though some say we won't know if certain players will be ready or able to help, bringing in yet another would be in the same situation.

I'd much rather get a wing or someone we'll end up redshirting.

But that's me...

[SHOXAAC]

I still don't understand the fascination by so many with bringing in another big man this year. We already have 4 and though some say we won't know if certain players will be ready or able to help, bringing in yet another would be in the same situation.

I'd much rather get a wing or someone we'll end up redshirting.

But that's me...

Garrett will probably continue to get into foul trouble.

EO can not be counted on.

Carl Hall is going to be good IMO...but what if he isn't, and what if his health issues come back.

Jake White will eventually be a player to be counted on, but he will be a freshman.

Gotta be prepared.

[wufan]

I still don't understand the fascination by so many with bringing in another big man this year. We already have 4 and though some say we won't know if certain players will be ready or able to help, bringing in yet another would be in the same situation.

I'd much rather get a wing or someone we'll end up redshirting.

But that's me...

Garrett will probably continue to get into foul trouble.

EO can not be counted on.

Carl Hall is going to be good IMO...but what if he isn't, and what if his health issues come back.

And as Subgold said, "bringing in yet another would be in the same situation." What if we brought in a 6-7 freshman rated as a top 500 player? Someone that was skilled but thin and played at a small high school and averaged maybe 14 points and 6 rebounds. Would that make you think, "now we are set!!" What about a 6-5 JUCO transfer that averaged 9 points and 5 rebounds? Would you feel like our big man situation was much improved?

Jake White will eventually be a player to be counted on, but he will be a freshman.

Gotta be prepared.

[wufan]

I still don't understand the fascination by so many with bringing in another big man this year. We already have 4 and though some say we won't know if certain players will be ready or able to help, bringing in yet another would be in the same situation.

I'd much rather get a wing or someone we'll end up redshirting.

But that's me...

Garrett will probably continue to get into foul trouble.

EO can not be counted on.

Carl Hall is going to be good IMO...but what if he isn't, and what if his health issues come back.

What if we got a skinny but skilled 6-7 190 lb HS PF from a small high school that averaged 16 points and 6 rebounds or a 6-5 JC PF that averaged 9 and 5? Would that make you feel that our post situation was much improved?

And as Subgold said, "bringing in yet another would be in the same situation." What if we brought in a 6-7 freshman rated as a top 500 player? Someone that was skilled but thin and played at a small high school and averaged maybe 14 points and 6 rebounds. Would that make you think, "now we are set!!" What about a 6-5 JUCO transfer that averaged 9 points and 5 rebounds? Would you feel like our big man situation was much improved?

Jake White will eventually be a player to be counted on, but he will be a freshman.

Gotta be prepared.

Sorry, having iPad issues. Read in the quote above for my response/question.

[shocker22]

We will sign two I think. A big and a swing man. Pure specualtion but I think one more scholarship will open up.

[Snapshot9]

I think everyone is having these thoughts because:

1) There are some doubts about Stutz playing 25 minutes a game. His range is fair to real good, and people just don't know where in that range he will fall on a consistent basis.

2) People were more content for offensive purposes when Durley was in the game, so they have a tendency to want another center, and keep Stutz as the backup. Orukpe is the biggest question mark our program has ever had in 20 years, noone knows how it will turn out. He could go from a 4 year bust to a superstar.

3) I think pretty much everyone expects Hall to play a lot, and that he will be good.

4) I think they are also optismistic about White, but he will just be a freshman, and freshman take a little while.

5) Wessel and Cotton are kind of question marks, and a wait and see attitude, although I feel pretty good about Wessel.

We need another 3, one that can play right away, and can hit the 3. He could play behind Smith. I feel that Smith has earned the starting 3 spot for next year. (Wessel is suppose to not be too good with his 3 shot, he needs to work on that).

If Hall ends up playing some 5 (see #2 above), then we will need another 4 (PF). And somehow a guard always sneaks into the recruiting ranks, so the 2nd player recruited could be a guard, who could redshirt (Cotton would be a candidate to redshirt).

[shocker22]

I think everyone is having these thoughts because:

1) There are some doubts about Stutz playing 25 minutes a game. His range is fair to real good, and people just don't know where in that range he will fall on a consistent basis.

2) People were more content for offensive purposes when Durley was in the game, so they have a tendency to want another center, and keep Stutz as the backup. Orukpe is the biggest question mark our program has ever had in 20 years, noone knows how it will turn out. He could go from a 4 year bust to a superstar.

3) I think pretty much everyone expects Hall to play a lot, and that he will be good.

4) I think they are also optismistic about White, but he will just be a freshman, and freshman take a little while.

5) Wessel and Cotton are kind of question marks, and a wait and see attitude, although I feel pretty good about Wessel.

We need another 3, one that can play right away, and can hit the 3. He could play behind Smith. I feel that Smith has earned the starting 3 spot for next year. (Wessel is suppose to not be too good with his 3 shot, he needs to work on that).

If Hall ends up playing some 5 (see #2 above), then we will need another 4 (PF). And somehow a guard always sneaks into the recruiting ranks, so the 2nd player recruited could be a guard, who could redshirt (Cotton would be a candidate to redshirt).

Wessel or Cotton will redhshirt. Who will depend on the other players we bring in and their adjustment to the D1 game.

[shocker22]

I think everyone is having these thoughts because:

1) There are some doubts about Stutz playing 25 minutes a game. His range is fair to real good, and people just don't know where in that range he will fall on a consistent basis.

2) People were more content for offensive purposes when Durley was in the game, so they have a tendency to want another center, and keep Stutz as the backup. Orukpe is the biggest question mark our program has ever had in 20 years, noone knows how it will turn out. He could go from a 4 year bust to a superstar.

3) I think pretty much everyone expects Hall to play a lot, and that he will be good.

4) I think they are also optismistic about White, but he will just be a freshman, and freshman take a little while.

5) Wessel and Cotton are kind of question marks, and a wait and see attitude, although I feel pretty good about Wessel.

We need another 3, one that can play right away, and can hit the 3. He could play behind Smith. I feel that Smith has earned the starting 3 spot for next year. (Wessel is suppose to not be too good with his 3 shot, he needs to work on that).

If Hall ends up playing some 5 (see #2 above), then we will need another 4 (PF). And somehow a guard always sneaks into the recruiting ranks, so the 2nd player recruited could be a guard, who could redshirt (Cotton would be a candidate to redshirt).

[SubGod22]

I think everyone is having these thoughts because:

1) There are some doubts about Stutz playing 25 minutes a game. His range is fair to real good, and people just don't know where in that range he will fall on a consistent basis.

Fair enough, but I'm not too worried.

2) People were more content for offensive purposes when Durley was in the game, so they have a tendency to want another center, and keep Stutz as the backup. Orukpe is the biggest question mark our program has ever had in 20 years, noone knows how it will turn out. He could go from a 4 year bust to a superstar.

I don't know why anyone would want to keep Stutz as a backup and not sure how bringing in someone who's never played D1 ball to play in front of him would make anyone feel better. Ehimen is a bit of a question mark, but he looks better now than he did at the beginning of the year and those who've seen him in practice also see progress. Another summer and a trip to Europe should be valuable and I'm not worried about him contributing.

3) I think pretty much everyone expects Hall to play a lot, and that he will be good.

I agree. The only ones who don't are those who think nobody can come in and be a factor early in thier first year.

4) I think they are also optismistic about White, but he will just be a freshman, and freshman take a little while.

So do most JUCO guys. White may take some time. He may not take much. Either way, he's going to play and we'll be better off in the long run for it.

5) Wessel and Cotton are kind of question marks, and a wait and see attitude, although I feel pretty good about Wessel.

I feel pretty good about both, however, our guard depth is pretty solid. One should redshirt.

We need another 3, one that can play right away, and can hit the 3. He could play behind Smith. I feel that Smith has earned the starting 3 spot for next year. (Wessel is suppose to not be too good with his 3 shot, he needs to work on that).

I doubt Smith starts over Murry and Kyles. If we need another to play the 3 (Wessel?) so be it, but I don't think being a great 3 point shooter is a must. An effective slasher can do just as much damage. We still have good outside shooters on the team (Kyles, Smith, Rags, DWill and maybe White and Stutz). Personally, I'd like to see a FR brought in at any position. If he plays or redshirts doesn't much matter to me.

If Hall ends up playing some 5 (see #2 above), then we will need another 4 (PF). And somehow a guard always sneaks into the recruiting ranks, so the 2nd player recruited could be a guard, who could redshirt (Cotton would be a candidate to redshirt).

I don't see Hall playing much 5 unless fouls or injuries are a problem. But I still feel good about White contributing this season. Still, bringing in another player at this point guarantees nothing as they'll all be in the same boat as Ehimen, TRich, Wessel, White and Cotton. Unproven.

I'm happy with the roster as it is and any addition is whatever. I don't care if it's someone who will contribute next year or not as next year isn't my biggest concern. It's the next year or two after that.

PG - Rags (SR), DWill (JR), Murry (SR), Cotton (FR)
SG - Kyles (SR), Murry (SR), DWill (JR), Cotton/Wessel (FR), TRich (SO)
SF - Murry (SR), Smith (SR), Kyles (SR), Wessel (FR), TRich (SO)
PF - Hall (JR), White (FR)
C - Stutz (SR), Ehimen (JR)

The rotation for the upcoming season looks pretty strong to me. And the youngsters are going to have to play at some point or they'll never be ready. It's also very possible that White could be the only FR to play leaving us with very little experience returning in '12.

[im4wsu]

Maybe some of you other old guys remember how Ralph Miller taught Gene Wiley and nate Bowman how to play the 5 position. I believe that EO has infinitely more raw athletic ability that either of those two. Wiley hadn't touched a basketball until he was a junior in high school, IIRC. Watching him the first 2.5 years was brutal. A Fould every 30 seconds. Ralph had hold his arms above his shoulder while the FT shooter was shooting, just to try to reduse his fouling. He turned out to be a pretty fair ball player. I have huge hopes for EO. If I were coaching him, I'd get every film of Bill Russell and educate the young man.

[kcshocker11]

Maybe some of you other old guys remember how Ralph Miller taught Gene Wiley and nate Bowman how to play the 5 position. I believe that EO has infinitely more raw athletic ability that either of those two. Wiley hadn't touched a basketball until he was a junior in high school, IIRC. Watching him the first 2.5 years was brutal. A Fould every 30 seconds. Ralph had hold his arms above his shoulder while the FT shooter was shooting, just to try to reduse his fouling. He turned out to be a pretty fair ball player. I have huge hopes for EO. If I were coaching him, I'd get every film of Bill Russell and educate the young man.

Old school is cool! 8) :posterwu:

[Snapshot9]

Remember player meetings are this week, so there may be an announcement or two in the next 2 weeks.

[WstateU]

Maybe some of you other old guys remember how Ralph Miller taught Gene Wiley and nate Bowman how to play the 5 position. I believe that EO has infinitely more raw athletic ability that either of those two. Wiley hadn't touched a basketball until he was a junior in high school, IIRC. Watching him the first 2.5 years was brutal. A Fould every 30 seconds. Ralph had hold his arms above his shoulder while the FT shooter was shooting, just to try to reduse his fouling. He turned out to be a pretty fair ball player. I have huge hopes for EO. If I were coaching him, I'd get every film of Bill Russell and educate the young man.

Old school is cool! 8) :posterwu:

Here's an off-season station break! :D

When EO's not practicing, he needs 'Basketball Jones' ringing in his ears.
("Basketball Jones" is a 1974 animated short film based on the Cheech and Chong song "Basketball Jones featuring Tyrone Shoelaces")

Barry White RIP!

"See I am a victim of a Basketball Jones, I take my basketball everywhere; I even put my basketball under my PILLOW!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiBR6NC8pT4&feature=related

[Chris Rock - singing in falsetto] :yahoo:
Basketball Jooooones
I got a Basketball Jooooones
I got a Basketball Jooooones, oh baby
Ohhhhhhhhhhh, oh!

[Singers sing in background]

[(Barry White) Chris Rock]
(Jones)
Hey, that's Barry White! (an obsession)
(A burning desire) Barry, you want some chicken?
(The undeniable passion)
Aww, you ??? that singin' stuff
(The love, of someone are some thing)
Y'know you want some chicken!
(Yes, he was a victim...of a Basketball Jones)
In fact, I was a baddest...dribbler in the whole world
(Then one day, his mother bought him a basketball)
And I love that basketball! I took that basketball everywhere I went
You know what? That basketball was like a basketball to me!
C'MON, you cheerleaders..

["Cheerleading" singers sing - Chorus]
Basketball Jones
I got a Basketball Jones (happily)
I got a Basketball Jones ohhh baby ohhhhhh

Wait a minute, y'all not En Vouge!
Where the hell is En Vogue?!
Somebody told me En Vogue was gonna be here
I guess y'all'll do (Yeah...)
So what y'all doin' after the game? C'mon!

(His basketball was like a member of his owwwwn family)
In fact, better looking than my brother Tony
Didn't owe me money, and didn't piss in a bed!
And after the game, I always took a shower wit' my basketball
Every now and then, the basketball gonna pinch my butt
But I didn't mind, 'cause my and my basketball had guts, clean fun
See I am a victim of a Basketball Jones, I'll take my basketball everywhere
I'll even put my basketball under the PILLOW!
(Maybe that's why you couldn't sleep at night)

["Chorus" starts again as Chris and Barry overlaps]
SING IT! SING IT! SING IT LIKE YA WANNA!!
(Yeah) Eh-eh-eh, act like Puffy's in the audience
(Sing it out!) Would y'all SHUT UP?!
(Ohhhhh, soooounds sooo sweet) B-Barry, don't encourage 'em!
They got a Basketball Jones
See I like to PLAY it, I know a thang...yeah, heh-heh
What kinda Basketball Jones y'all got?! (sing it out!)
I see y'all runnin' after a lime zone
YEAH! (YEAH!)
I see ya chasin' Penny around!

["cheerleaders" and later Barry raps]
Hey, there's a Basketball Jones
Basketball Jones's in the hoouse

[Chris Rock overlaps]
Michael Jordan! MICHAEL JORDAN!
LADIES AND GENTLEMAN, THE MAN WE CAME OUT TO SEE!
Michael Jordan...why don't you sing?

[Michael Jordan]
Sing? I don't sing, that's the other "M.J."

[Chris Rock]
Ohhh, okay, I support you
I go to all your games, and you can't sing a lil' song for a brotha!
I hope you go bald! Oh, you already bald!

[Chris Rock - singing in falsetto]
Basketball Jooooones, c'mon!
I got a Basketball Jooooones (Tear it up, Chris)
I got a Basketball Jooooones, oh baby (Eat it up!)
Ohhhhhhhhhhh, oh, oh, oh

[Chorus w/ Barry White singing in background]

[Chris Rock]
Was that Babyface?!
Was that El Debarge?!
Th-That musta been Smokey Robinson!
WHO THE HELL WAS THAT?!
I guess that was me-e-e-e!

(Baby, baby, baby...it's a craving)
Basketball's a chicken!
(An uncontrollable yearning)
Do y'all hear Barry White?! Do y'all hear Barry White?!
(The overwhelming emotion.....to a love for someone are some thing)
I love The Knicks, myself!
(Jones) Hey, is the a basketball in the house?!
(I got a Rib Jones)
IS THERE A BASKETBALL IN THE HOUSE?!
(a Riiiib Jones)

Everybody (yeeeaah)
Pat Riley, in the HOOOOUSE!!
Mitch Rechman's in the HOOOOUSE!!
Scottie Pippen, in the house
Turn it out, without a doubt!
A-Larry Johnson, in the HOOOOUSE!!
David Robinson, turn it out
Dennis Rodman, in the house
wit' green hair, without a doubt, c'mon!
(Gotta Basketball Jones)
Eh, Michael, can your ?water? ?daughter? ?Yolanda? play?!
Don't get mad at me, Michael, I just asked you simple question!
Does your woman got game?!
Alright, alirght, I'll leave you alone then!
You goin' tryin' to be a bully! (You go it!)
Bob Costas's in the HOOOOUSE!!
Dr. J, in the HOOOOUSE!!
Bill Walten, in the HOOOOUSE!!
Sheryl Miller, in the house!
Bugs Bunny, in the house!
Elmer Fudd, in the HOOOOUSE!!
Tweety Bird, what 'cha heard?
Pass the word, Tweety Bird
Sylvester, my broth-a
No oth-a, undercov-a
Everybody plays basketball!
Mike Tyson, shoots the ball, (Damn right!)
Against the wall, makes it fall
My mama plays basketball!
Charles Bark-LAY, in the house!
Kenan Anderson, in the HOOOOUSE!!
Shawn Kemp, gon' turn it OUUUT!!
Jack Nicholson, in the HOOOOUSE!!
Courtside, wit-out a doubt!
(He's never gonna give it up! Never walk away!)
Spike Lee, in the HOOOOUSE!!
Chillin', without a DOUBT!!

[Chorus continues as song fades and Chris FINALLY SHUT UP!!]

[pinstripers]

JFC