Non-Conf Schedule

[WSUShokker]

I was hearing about a series with WSU earlier this year of 1 at Intrust, 1 at Sprint and 1 at the Bram.

No thanks.

We can get better programs with that offer.

Name one.

Aggie Tech is currently on a "hot streak". Their overall program is not very solid. We have more tourney wins than they have in the last two decades. If we're gonna be accepting 1.5 for .5's, I'd rather give it a shot with a more "name brand". Hell, LSU is even more name brand than KSU. And that's why I'm perfectly fine with the offer that we accepted with them.

I like Martin but he deserves better than KSU and its bandwagon fanbase.

we ***** and ***** about KU and KSU not wanting to play us and if its a possibility im tired of waiting ....to hell with this pissin and moaning get it done...if we lose we lose and a 1-1-1 in the IBA is cool by me. KSU is a better RPI game than LSU and no travel issues...no brainer.

[SubGod22]

Any deal consisting of a game at Bram and not at Koch would piss me off.

[ShockerFever]

So far, of the last 6 posters, it's split on whether this deal is a satisfactory one to Wichita State.

Some of you are seeing Kansas State as a No.2 seed this year and would probably accept to be bought from Kansas State.

It really is funny. It really is.




I want good RPI games against good competition. But I don't want "flash in the pan" programs and their fans thinking their superior to us expecting to bow down and accept 1.5 for .5's when they finally hit their peak of success. Why didn't Kitten State accept any offers after 2002?

Sorry, but some of you need to scratch the surface instead of looking at something at face value. You're embarrassing the school rather nicely. :roll:

[WuDrWu]

Any deal consisting of a game at Bram and not at Koch would piss me off.

On the surface, I agree. However, in the interest of playing a game that SHOULD be played, I concede that SOME concessions might have to be made.

Not that anyone cares, but if I were in charge, and that had to be the deal, then I would demand the following:

Control of the ticketing at IBA. Our season ticket holders get first crack, as many as they want. Then others on whatever list WSU wants to use. Then open to the general public, whatever is left over. I am more than willing to offer KState a much larger block than usual of good seating. See below.

A block of good 500 seats in the Octogon of DOH!!!!! for use any way WSU sees fit.

A block of 1/2 of the Sprint Center for WSU to use anyway they see fit, with unused (if any) returnable to the Sprint Center far in advance of the game (say 3 months).

I'd agree to that and be very happy that (regardless of how good or bad they've been over the last 30 years) we're playing a very good team, that we should be playing, for 3 straight years.

As long as there is give and take (not just give for , I think we should make it work. As far as what's gone on in the past, I don't ever think we had a home and home with KSU. I think the best it ever was for WSU was 2 for 3....but I could be mistaken. There might have been a 2 for 2 when both programs were awful in the 90s.

[WSUShokker]

Any deal consisting of a game at Bram and not at Koch would piss me off.

On the surface, I agree. However, in the interest of playing a game that SHOULD be played, I concede that SOME concessions might have to be made.

Not that anyone cares, but if I were in charge, and that had to be the deal, then I would demand the following:

Control of the ticketing at IBA. Our season ticket holders get first crack, as many as they want. Then others on whatever list WSU wants to use. Then open to the general public, whatever is left over. I am more than willing to offer KState a much larger block than usual of good seating. See below.

A block of good 500 seats in the Octogon of DOH!!!!! for use any way WSU sees fit.

A block of 1/2 of the Sprint Center for WSU to use anyway they see fit, with unused (if any) returnable to the Sprint Center far in advance of the game (say 3 months).

I'd agree to that and be very happy that (regardless of how good or bad they've been over the last 30 years) we're playing a very good team, that we should be playing, for 3 straight years.

they have taken the reserves off .....SOLD!!!

[The Mad Hatter]

Any deal consisting of a game at Bram and not at Koch would piss me off.

On the surface, I agree. However, in the interest of playing a game that SHOULD be played, I concede that SOME concessions might have to be made.

Not that anyone cares, but if I were in charge, and that had to be the deal, then I would demand the following:

Control of the ticketing at IBA. Our season ticket holders get first crack, as many as they want. Then others on whatever list WSU wants to use. Then open to the general public, whatever is left over. I am more than willing to offer KState a much larger block than usual of good seating. See below.

A block of good 500 seats in the Octogon of DOH!!!!! for use any way WSU sees fit.

A block of 1/2 of the Sprint Center for WSU to use anyway they see fit, with unused (if any) returnable to the Sprint Center far in advance of the game (say 3 months).

I'd agree to that and be very happy that (regardless of how good or bad they've been over the last 30 years) we're playing a very good team, that we should be playing, for 3 straight years.

I would generally agree with that. The main thing is making sure that WSU season ticket holders have guaranteed seats in IBA and equal access between the two schools for Sprint.

[SubGod22]

Any deal consisting of a game at Bram and not at Koch would piss me off.

On the surface, I agree. However, in the interest of playing a game that SHOULD be played, I concede that SOME concessions might have to be made.

Not that anyone cares, but if I were in charge, and that had to be the deal, then I would demand the following:

Control of the ticketing at IBA. Our season ticket holders get first crack, as many as they want. Then others on whatever list WSU wants to use. Then open to the general public, whatever is left over. I am more than willing to offer KState a much larger block than usual of good seating. See below.

A block of good 500 seats in the Octogon of DOH!!!!! for use any way WSU sees fit.

A block of 1/2 of the Sprint Center for WSU to use anyway they see fit, with unused (if any) returnable to the Sprint Center far in advance of the game (say 3 months).

I'd agree to that and be very happy that (regardless of how good or bad they've been over the last 30 years) we're playing a very good team, that we should be playing, for 3 straight years.

I would generally agree with that. The main thing is making sure that WSU season ticket holders have guaranteed seats in IBA and equal access between the two schools for Sprint.

With all that I might be open to considering it

[ABC]

Good idea Doc and I agree all the way around.

[BCSCat]

Let's see, 4th, 3rd, 4th and 2nd in the Big XII in the last 4 seasons is hardly flash in the pan. Certainly less so than 1 Sweet Sixteen ( a great job for sure) and then sinking back out of sight.

WSU and KSU have done some home and home over the years and some 1 for 2. I'm just reporting what I have heard but frankly (no pun intended) I wonder why I do. Not worth getting attacked by some posters here.

[ShockerFever]

Let's see, 4th, 3rd, 4th and 2nd in the Big XII in the last 4 seasons is hardly flash in the pan. Certainly less so than 1 Sweet Sixteen ( a great job for sure) and then sinking back out of sight.

And what have those Top 4 finishes in America's premiere conference gotten ya? Yeah, diddily poo. You're just mad because WSU has been more relevant in the NCAA's than your Kitties have in the last 20 years.

WSU and KSU have done some home and home over the years and some 1 for 2. I'm just reporting what I have heard but frankly (no pun intended) I wonder why I do. Not worth getting attacked by some posters here.

Good. Maybe you'll finally get the picture.

Go away.

[Kung Wu]

Any deal consisting of a game at Bram and not at Koch would piss me off.

On the surface, I agree. However, in the interest of playing a game that SHOULD be played, I concede that SOME concessions might have to be made.

Not that anyone cares, but if I were in charge, and that had to be the deal, then I would demand the following:

Control of the ticketing at IBA. Our season ticket holders get first crack, as many as they want. Then others on whatever list WSU wants to use. Then open to the general public, whatever is left over. I am more than willing to offer KState a much larger block than usual of good seating. See below.

A block of good 500 seats in the Octogon of DOH!!!!! for use any way WSU sees fit.

A block of 1/2 of the Sprint Center for WSU to use anyway they see fit, with unused (if any) returnable to the Sprint Center far in advance of the game (say 3 months).

I'd agree to that and be very happy that (regardless of how good or bad they've been over the last 30 years) we're playing a very good team, that we should be playing, for 3 straight years.

As long as there is give and take (not just give for , I think we should make it work. As far as what's gone on in the past, I don't ever think we had a home and home with KSU. I think the best it ever was for WSU was 2 for 3....but I could be mistaken. There might have been a 2 for 2 when both programs were awful in the 90s.

It really just makes zero sense overall the more I think about it. Our clubs both have relatively new coliseums. We are 130 miles apart. We are not a Duke vs UNC that is going to draw ESPN prime. Why are we even considering leasing third party buildings? It is absolutely dumb and getting dumber the more I think about it.

If the reason is that K-State won't play us otherwise, then that's just a game you pass on. It's just too stupid otherwise.

It seems the real argument is whether K-State is more stupid for acting like something they are not and requiring dumb KU-esque demands, or we're more stupid for lamenting about it year after year.

[ShockerFever]

It seems the real argument is whether K-State is more stupid for acting like something they are not and requiring dumb KU-esque demands, or we're more stupid for lamenting about it year after year.

Thank you.

[The Mad Hatter]

It really just makes zero sense overall the more I think about it. Our clubs both have realitively new coliseums. We are 130 miles apart. We are not a Duke vs UNC that is going to draw ESPN prime. Why are we even considering leasing third party buildings? It is absolutely dumb and getting dumber the more I think about it.

If the reason is that K-State won't play us otherwise, then that's just a game you pass on. It's just too stupid otherwise.

It seems the real argument is whether K-State is more stupid for acting like something they are not and requiring dumb KU-esque demands, or we're more stupid for lamenting about it year after year.

Have you considered the possibility that we might want to establish a track record of hosting the occasional game at IBA and that playing there isn't just in KSU's interest?

[ShockerFever]

It really just makes zero sense overall the more I think about it. Our clubs both have realitively new coliseums. We are 130 miles apart. We are not a Duke vs UNC that is going to draw ESPN prime. Why are we even considering leasing third party buildings? It is absolutely dumb and getting dumber the more I think about it.

If the reason is that K-State won't play us otherwise, then that's just a game you pass on. It's just too stupid otherwise.

It seems the real argument is whether K-State is more stupid for acting like something they are not and requiring dumb KU-esque demands, or we're more stupid for lamenting about it year after year.

Have you considered the possibility that we might want to establish a track record of hosting the occasional game at IBA and that playing there isn't just in KSU's interest?

Ok, not a problem. Not gonna go to the Octagon of Goons to get that game though.

[ABC]

We've never done a 2:1 with KSU.

The last deal was a 3:2. That would be okay with me.

In 1986-87 we played home and home in the same year. I think that happend at least one year in the early 1970s. The games might have been within days of each other. That would be fun.

A KSU-WSU game next year and in the future would garner national attention from ESPN or Fox.

Back to the original topic, one of the many reasons that Marshall took the job was that he was tired of having a great year and then getting a #14 seed.

After the obvious rejection by the NCAA, I really wondered if the Valley or our scheduling was at fault. I do agree with Sullentrop that it was disturbing that we weren't even mentioned as being on the bubble, however.

While I do think the MVC has to step it up so wins and losses both help more and hurt less, the NCAA tournament was in our hands this year. There is no way Winthrop or any similar school will probably ever play their way into an at-large.

First, we have FOUR avoidable MVC losses (CU, DU, BU and EU). That's a lot. And had we just won at UNI, another top 25 win and very doable, and just won one of those four games I just mentioned, we win a co-championship in the MVC.

Second, we did play Pittsburgh and had we won, we would have faced Texas. Two more chances for top 25/50 wins.

Third was our loss at USU. It seemed to me we lost that game long before we played it. (complaints about the time, location etc.)

Clearly we can improve our non-con schedule and we have done that next year.

Regardless of the quality of the MVC next year, there really are no excuses for 2010-11.