booing?

[moshock]

First, I don't boo our team. However, I was at a game when MT was our coach and the players were playing with no heart. I was sitting in the nose bleed section across from the bench and could hear MT screaming at his team during a time out and the crowd went nuts cheering not booing. The entire place picked up on his passion and got behind the team. IMO, that is how you handle it. BTW...we won that game.

Dear HCGM,

The 1% that you called out on the post-game show last nite were understandibly frustrated by your teams performance against the absolute worst team in the Valley. The same fans were probably cheering wildly when E-vil's player missed the free throw. WSU fans rate with the most passionate fans anywhere. IMO, the best thing to do is coach your team, ignore the 1%, and appreciate the 99% who were not booing.

MOVE ON. This is a bump .... no a pebble in the road that this team is traveling.

:wsu_posters:

[Good News]

Perhaps it wouldn’t be a stretch for most people familiar with the game of basketball to realize that there is a very high correlation between the mental aspect of the game and success on the court. Moreso than talent.

I think we’ve seen that this year with other teams (Creighton and Illinois State come to mind)

Perhaps it wouldn’t be a stretch to understand that a coach – more than anyone else – is responsible for the mental aspect of the team effort.

I think many people on this board have acknowledged that.

And perhaps it wouldn’t be a stretch to believe that the team doesn’t have the mental aspect of the game quite together as much as the coach would like at this time of the year.

I think we’ve seen it on the floor and in statements from the coach on many occasions in the recent past.

Given all of the above… isn’t it possible that the only person (Marshall) with a complete set of information and the RESPONSIBILITY to gauge the situation has decided that criticism of the type being dispensed – booing and “worst loss ever” columns – aren’t going to help this team going forward? And in fact might be counterproductive in the home stretch?

So he decides to go on the offensive and leave no doubt that he stands firmly behind his squad no matter what?

I think it’s not only possible, but likely.


As Ben Franklin once said:

“We must hang together, gentlemen… or else we most assuredly will all hang separately. We’re 22-6, undefeated at home, with enough underclassmen to be optimistic about the forseeable future.”

Or something along those lines. I might have embellished part of it.


As far as the acceptability of booing some young men that don’t happen to have everything go right all the time, I would advise the posters in question to do three things:


1. Take your collective stones, turn away from the collective glass houses, and shove them up your collective ###es.

2. Make sure that I’m not sitting near you the next time you start booing players.

3. If you do happen to be sitting next to me, make sure you pack up your stuff before you start booing, because I can guarantee you that I will take whatever action is necessary to get us both thrown out.


Why do I always get the impression that the people taking the hardest line on things like this are people who haven’t played since they got cut from their junior high team, if they ever even played? If somebody with a D1 playing or coaching resume wants to speak up and explain why booing these players is productive, I’ll reconsider my position.

Until then, I’ll stick with the guy who’s used to dancing in March and the players who spend 20-25 hours a week on the court, 5-10 hours in the locker room and training room, 10-20 hours traveling, 5-10 hours in the classroom, and 10-20 hours in the library or study hall.

[ShockerFever]

Good News..

Is being swept by Evansville acceptable?

Is being swept by Evansville acceptable when you're 21-6?

We were an eyelash away of getting swept by Evansville. What do you expect people to do? Prance around happily like nothing is wrong and act like that kind of play is acceptable for Wichita State University basketball?

How about some responsibility to the man in charge for the way this team has performed down the stretch in a season where they could have been on the good side of an NCAA bubble?

Let's not live in make-believe.

[RoyalShock]

Perhaps it wouldn’t be a stretch for most people familiar with the game of basketball to realize that there is a very high correlation between the mental aspect of the game and success on the court. Moreso than talent.

I think we’ve seen that this year with other teams (Creighton and Illinois State come to mind)

Perhaps it wouldn’t be a stretch to understand that a coach – more than anyone else – is responsible for the mental aspect of the team effort.

I think many people on this board have acknowledged that.

And perhaps it wouldn’t be a stretch to believe that the team doesn’t have the mental aspect of the game quite together as much as the coach would like at this time of the year.

I think we’ve seen it on the floor and in statements from the coach on many occasions in the recent past.

Given all of the above… isn’t it possible that the only person (Marshall) with a complete set of information and the RESPONSIBILITY to gauge the situation has decided that criticism of the type being dispensed – booing and “worst loss ever” columns – aren’t going to help this team going forward? And in fact might be counterproductive in the home stretch?

So he decides to go on the offensive and leave no doubt that he stands firmly behind his squad no matter what?

I think it’s not only possible, but likely.


As Ben Franklin once said:

“We must hang together, gentlemen… or else we most assuredly will all hang separately. We’re 22-6, undefeated at home, with enough underclassmen to be optimistic about the forseeable future.”

Or something along those lines. I might have embellished part of it.

Regarding the quoted portion, Good News = Good Post.

As for the absolute acceptability of booing, I can see situations where if a team isn't getting the message from their coach, getting the message from the fans may be warranted. I don't think this season warrants it but neither can I be too hard on a few people whose frustrations boiled over. I guess I understand the sentiments of all involved.

[SubGod22]

I'm not one to boo, but I'm not going to fault those that did. The play of this team has been less than steller the past 3 weeks or so and I've been saying and hoping that the previous game was going to be a wake up call for 3 weeks now and it's yet to be the case. I've been finding more amusement/entertainment in the morons who sit behind me than I have in watching the Shox play lately. And the people behind me pretty much annoy the crap out of me. It's been painful to watch and with how things were going I don't understand how you can really fault a few fans from voicing their frustrations in the manner of some boos. This team HAS to play better. If they continue to play like this I hope we don't get a home NIT game so I don't have to worry about our home winning streak being snapped. I know I've lost a lot of confidence in this team. There have been some individual bright spots but the team is going backwards.

[shock-it-to-me]

As has been alluded to, we have a huge, passionate fan base for home games. You are going to get booing at a time like last night. I'm not saying I think that is OK, but honestly, which would you rather have, 1000 in the house sitting nice and quite like at some other valley schools, or 10,000 in the house who get a little riled up, and yes, even a few so emotional that they let that get the best of them and booed when players were playing with their heads up their rears. I don't really know if you can have one without the other.

[ABC]

I don't think the video clip made Marshall look back.

He is rightly frustrated.

I like Lutz's writing. I don't always agree, but he almost always has something interesting to say.

However, for him to say he didn't think his "40 year" comment wasn't that negative is absurd. If he really believes that, then he is being delusional.

How can you say that the Evansville loss is the worst Shocker loss in 40 years isn't negative?

His column today and the video is Lutz firing back and being overly defensive. He should've just let it lie and move on. He didn't, so he just made the battle worse.

There are lots and lots of outlets anymore for people's opinion, news and information. Fight a big paper like the Eagle is a lot easier than it used to be.

BTW, what difference would it make is Schaus were around? ? ?

[Overtime]

I have always tried to be positive. In 20 years of going to games , don't ever remember booing. Hate it when fans say negative things during games about our players. BUT last nite made me crazy. When I heard the boos, at that point in time ,I let out a boo. I feel badly about it, I am sorry and I feel a bit foolish. I probably will not do it again.

[kstarheel]

Apparently a guy behind us was booing during the 34-40 timeout. I don't even remember it but my dad told me. I guess that's why the guy ahead of us go mad. I thought it was because I said, 'come on Greg, light a fire under these boys'. Fans are funny.

I think it was just a reaction at not knowing what to do when your team is down 6 to a 1-win team (in conference). Much ado about nothing really. I love going to the games. Great atmosphere and fun basketball.

[Capitol Shock]

I found myself losing my cool last night a number of times but I don't remember booing although I'm sure that I was tempted on more than one occassion.

It's only a game to me and has no consequence on my life whatsoever unless I allow it.

However, for Marshall and Lutz it's a totally different story since it's their life and income. As worked up as I was for only having $20 invested in that game, I can't imagine what I would be doing if it was my profession and future on the line.

Go ahead and boo if you want but geez the team is 22-6 and in second place in spite of their sketchy play at times. There's not another Coach in the league I would want even given the remarks that Coach Marshall has made about any number of subjects.

Here's to even more victories this season!

[Rosewood]

Go ahead and boo if you want

No, don't. We have been over this.

[TDSHOX]

Lets all kiss and make up... And go kick the **** out of Utah State..

[BOBB]

Because Schaus had the stature to sit Gregg down and tell him to let this blow over and to chill Lutz out. I don't think ADES does.

[ABC]

Because Schaus had the stature to sit Gregg down and tell him to let this blow over and to chill Lutz out. I don't think ADES does.

Right. You are delusional too. You have absolutely no idea whatsoever if Eric has or hasn't done this very thing. And who is to say it needs to be done.

Schaus tried to get Turgeon to ride a motorcylce into Koch Arean with Darryl Smith at the season opening practive event, and guess what, Turgeon didn't do it.

[BOBB]

Of course. Riding b*tch on a motorcycle through the arena and toning down a pissing match between a coach and columnist are almost exactly the same thing.