Ripped Off!

[spectator1]

You're right.

[1972Shocker]

I don't know if we took it in the shorts or not, but the fact that that the clock operator was that far off indicates to me it may not have been inadvertant.

At the very least this guy should re-assigned to other less critical duties.

[1972Shocker]

FSN just showed the replay of the buzzer beater with the clock being visible at the bottom of the screen. We recorded it and put it in slow motion with the clock in site the entire time. The clock didn't start until Woodfox was starting his 2nd dribble. So the fact is that he caught and bobbled the ball, dribbled once and started to dribble again and the clock started. It appears that the ball left his hand at .08 or .09. It also appears that at least .08 or .09 seconds were already used after he caught the ball, bobbled it and began the first dribble. WSU was clearly ripped off.

What was said by the announcers or commentators? Anything of significance.

[C0|dB|00ded]

I just did it too. 1.8 seems to be accurate.

On the SC highlights, the ball seemed to go off of Clevin and out of bounds at 1.8. That's where it stopped anyways.

The 1.9 was awfully forgiving they got.

It would've been too close to call. Either way, Elgin is bush if he thinks he would've got it off in .9 on the clock. That is absolute BS. He makes it seem not as close.

This was about as close as it could get. And of course, you have to give the benefit of the doubt to the glamor team of the Valley, the POY, the Valley's best chance at an at-large, the best fanbase in the Valley, the best coach in the Valley, etc., etc.

1.8 - 1.8 = 0 are the conclusions.

This was about as close as it could get. And of course, you have to give the benefit of the doubt to the glamor team of the Valley, the POY, the Valley's best chance at an at-large, the best fanbase in the Valley, the best coach in the Valley, etc., etc.

That sounds awfully close to not being sarcastic...


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[engrshock]

If it is so clear cut on the video why not let everyone see the end and determine for themselves.

[spectator1]

FSN just showed the replay of the buzzer beater with the clock being visible at the bottom of the screen. We recorded it and put it in slow motion with the clock in site the entire time. The clock didn't start until Woodfox was starting his 2nd dribble. So the fact is that he caught and bobbled the ball, dribbled once and started to dribble again and the clock started. It appears that the ball left his hand at .08 or .09. It also appears that at least .08 or .09 seconds were already used after he caught the ball, bobbled it and began the first dribble. WSU was clearly ripped off.

What was said by the announcers or commentators? Anything of significance.

Nothing. Everyone tends to agree with the decision. Elgin was just on and showed the play again and had no problems saying it was an accurate call. He also indicated that he thought that Creighton had done enough at this point to get a bid to the NCAA tournament. He sounds like a Creighton fan to me.

[1979Shocker]

They just showed the replay again. Earlier I had thought that the official under the basket was the one that indicated when to start the clock. But it was actually the official near midcourt. In the original replay, you couldn't see this official. In the replay they just showed, you could see the midcourt official lower his arm. But they didn't have the clock on the screen, so you can't tell how long after he lowered his arm that the clock actually started.

[ShellShocked]

2009 NCAA Men's Basketball Rules: Rule 5, Section 11, Art. 4. When an obvious mistake by the shot-clock operator has occurred in failing to start, stop, set or reset the shot clock or when a shot clock has malfunctioned, the mistake or the malfunctioning problem may be corrected in the shot-clock period in which it occurred only when the official has definite information relative to the mistake or malfunctioning problem
and the time involved. Any activity, after the mistake or malfunctioning problem has been discovered, shall be canceled, excluding any flagrant foul, intentional foul, or technical foul.

Except for referring to shot clock instead of game clock, which at the end of the game or half are actually the same thing, the operator failed to start the clock, the coaches told the officials, they should have reviewed it, put 1.9 seconds on the clock and given CU the ball under the basket to play in. There is nowhere in the rule that justifies MVC and Elgin's actions to review a play and determine that the outcome would have been the same had the mishandling of the clock not occurred. Please, all refs out there, please explain to me this blatant disregard for the written rule.

This sounds like a legitimate reason for me to get mad all over again. How is it that this rule was not followed last night? Can some of the informed Shockernetters give some thoughtful analysis on this?

[ShockerFever]

I just did it too. 1.8 seems to be accurate.

On the SC highlights, the ball seemed to go off of Clevin and out of bounds at 1.8. That's where it stopped anyways.

The 1.9 was awfully forgiving they got.

It would've been too close to call. Either way, Elgin is bush if he thinks he would've got it off in .9 on the clock. That is absolute BS. He makes it seem not as close.

This was about as close as it could get. And of course, you have to give the benefit of the doubt to the glamor team of the Valley, the POY, the Valley's best chance at an at-large, the best fanbase in the Valley, the best coach in the Valley, etc., etc.

1.8 - 1.8 = 0 are the conclusions.

This was about as close as it could get. And of course, you have to give the benefit of the doubt to the glamor team of the Valley, the POY, the Valley's best chance at an at-large, the best fanbase in the Valley, the best coach in the Valley, etc., etc.

That sounds awfully close to not being sarcastic...


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I hope that was sarcastic.

[spectator1]

I am thoroughly enjoying watching Creighton get its butt handed to them on a platter by Illinois State.

[C0|dB|00ded]

I just did it too. 1.8 seems to be accurate.

On the SC highlights, the ball seemed to go off of Clevin and out of bounds at 1.8. That's where it stopped anyways.

The 1.9 was awfully forgiving they got.

It would've been too close to call. Either way, Elgin is bush if he thinks he would've got it off in .9 on the clock. That is absolute BS. He makes it seem not as close.

This was about as close as it could get. And of course, you have to give the benefit of the doubt to the glamor team of the Valley, the POY, the Valley's best chance at an at-large, the best fanbase in the Valley, the best coach in the Valley, etc., etc.

1.8 - 1.8 = 0 are the conclusions.

This was about as close as it could get. And of course, you have to give the benefit of the doubt to the glamor team of the Valley, the POY, the Valley's best chance at an at-large, the best fanbase in the Valley, the best coach in the Valley, etc., etc.

That sounds awfully close to not being sarcastic...


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I hope that was sarcastic.

The Valley commissioners are continually awakened in their sleep by a reoccurring wet dream of Wichita State dominating this conference day in and day out. Wichita State dominating this conference equates to the greatest $$$'s and national exposure this paltry conference could ever hope to muster.


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[JackStraw]

Here's my 'un-scientific' sample :

15 time trials , utilizing an on-line stopwatch ......
Times varied from 1.88 to 2.06 , with an avg of 1.95

Possible problems :

a) ch 34 is not an HD channel on my TV , and it's a little blurry

b) when the ball comes in , Woodfox has his back to the camera , and it's hard to determine exactly when he first touched the ball

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Really need slow motion , and be able to analyze it frame by frame :cry:

:cry: :cry:

[shock10]

Elgin is comming on channel three TV to talk about the shot that was late. He should say. Well auh it like auh well really the only way the valley might get 2 teams in the dance was to help Creighton win auh but now that they got there ass kicked by ISU maybe we fuc# up and should have been on the up and up sorry.

[Rosewood]

When is Elgin going to be on 3?

[shock10]

It turn out to just be him talking about going to the truck with Eric and others. proable from last night. sorry