Ripped Off!

[shock10]

Elgin and lutz can spin it any way they want I saw what happened this is $hit in a diaper. Everyone saw what happened. One thing they need to know is I won't watch any more Valley games this year.

[Steeleshocker]

My two cents

OK, I'm going to get this off my chest, and then let it be...

I think it is entirely likely that BW got that shot off in time. It was just a lot closer than the clock was actually showing. Someone on here posted that it took him 1.8 seconds to shoot it. I'm telling myself that is the truth, and letting it be.

However, what I have a problem with is that Elgin keeps saying that there were .9 seconds on the clock when he released the shot, and that is just not true. I watched it on the DVR probably a dozen times and it was down to .6 or .5 seconds. Add in that the clock didn't start for about a half second, and you've got yourself a very close one. I understand the need to address the controversy, and try to put it to bed right away, but anybody with a DVR and two good eyes could see that more time had expired by the time Woodfox released the ball. It was NOT 0.9 seconds, and that insults my intelligence.

If he straight up told me it was 0.6 seconds on the clock, and they timed 0.5 seconds before the clock moved, I would have a whole lot more respect for Elgin, but I don't feel like he's telling it like it is. OK, enough of that, I'm moving on.

On a side note, BW did hit a pretty clutch shot, whether it was late or not, and he's got ice water to be able to calmly corral the ball and take his time to get a good release. If I had bobbled that pass, I would have ended up throwing it over my shoulder at the backboard. But now I just have more reason to hate CU.

[Rosewood]

I am pretty darn sure it was in time too but like I said, until I see the video with the clock and it frame by framed, I won't be certain.

[ShockerFever]

I have the highlights dvred from SC this morning. A little later I'm gonna grab a stopwatch and see for myself.

The fact that Elgin is trying to make it less close than it actually was is disturbing.

The fix is in.

I can't wait til sCUm loses.

[im4wsu]

2009 NCAA Men's Basketball Rules: Rule 5, Section 11, Art. 4. When an obvious mistake by the shot-clock operator has occurred in failing to start, stop, set or reset the shot clock or when a shot clock has malfunctioned, the mistake or the malfunctioning problem may be corrected in the shot-clock period in which it occurred only when the official has definite information relative to the mistake or malfunctioning problem
and the time involved. Any activity, after the mistake or malfunctioning problem has been discovered, shall be canceled, excluding any flagrant foul, intentional foul, or technical foul.

Except for referring to shot clock instead of game clock, which at the end of the game or half are actually the same thing, the operator failed to start the clock, the coaches told the officials, they should have reviewed it, put 1.9 seconds on the clock and given CU the ball under the basket to play in. There is nowhere in the rule that justifies MVC and Elgin's actions to review a play and determine that the outcome would have been the same had the mishandling of the clock not occurred. Please, all refs out there, please explain to me this blatant disregard for the written rule.

[capnkirk]

I have timed the play several times. There is no way .4 seconds are left on the clock when the ball is released. The shot was most likely good. But,
what I am not happy about is the fact the refs didn't review it. They just ran off the court.

[shock10]

I heard the buzzer sound and WSU was ahead we win oh wait sCUm is behind we better review it what a rip job by the valley.

[1972Shocker]

To me the way to time this play is not to try and see how late the official scorer was but to time the play from the point Woodfox touched the inbounds pass until the ball left his fingertips on the shot.

If over 1.8 seconds or more the Shocks got screwed. (The clock clearly showed that when the ball left Clevin's hands it hit the floor out of bounds with 1.8 seconds left -- that was the first timing mistake made.)

I am curious, for those of you with access to a replay with a good view and a stop watch, what are your results?

[ShockerFever]

To me the way to time thsi play is not to try and see how late the official scorer was but to time the play from the point Woodfox touched the inbounds pass until the ball left his fingertips on the shot.

For those of you with access to a replay with a good view and a stop watch, what are your results?

That's how I was gonna do it. I'll let ya know after I grab a bite to eat.

[SB Shock]

To me the way to time this play is not to try and see how late the official scorer was but to time the play from the point Woodfox touched the inbounds pass until the ball left his fingertips on the shot.

If over 1.8 seconds or more the Shocks got screwed. (The clock clearly showed that when the ball left Clevin's hands it hit the floor out of bounds with 1.8 seconds left -- that was the first timing mistake made.)

I am curious, for those of you with access to a replay with a good view and a stop watch, what are your results?

1.8 seconds.

[1979Shocker]

To me the way to time thsi play is not to try and see how late the official scorer was but to time the play from the point Woodfox touched the inbounds pass until the ball left his fingertips on the shot.

For those of you with access to a replay with a good view and a stop watch, what are your results?

That's how I was gonna do it. I'll let ya know after I grab a bite to eat.

I think you need to start your watch when the ref puts his hand down. That's who the clock keeper would be watching and when he would start the clock.

[ShockerFever]

I just did it too. 1.8 seems to be accurate.

On the SC highlights, the ball seemed to go off of Clevin and out of bounds at 1.8. That's where it stopped anyways.

The 1.9 was awfully forgiving they got.

It would've been too close to call. Either way, Elgin is bush if he thinks he would've got it off in .9 on the clock. That is absolute BS. He makes it seem not as close.

This was about as close as it could get. And of course, you have to give the benefit of the doubt to the glamor team of the Valley, the POY, the Valley's best chance at an at-large, the best fanbase in the Valley, the best coach in the Valley, etc., etc.

1.8 - 1.8 = 0 are the conclusions.

[1972Shocker]

Thanks Fever. That's close enough for me to say the Shocks were not robbed, but clearly much closer than Dougie Elgin inferred.

[spectator1]

FSN just showed the replay of the buzzer beater with the clock being visible at the bottom of the screen. We recorded it and put it in slow motion with the clock in site the entire time. The clock didn't start until Woodfox was starting his 2nd dribble. So the fact is that he caught and bobbled the ball, dribbled once and started to dribble again and the clock started. It appears that the ball left his hand at .08 or .09. It also appears that at least .08 or .09 seconds were already used after he caught the ball, bobbled it and began the first dribble. WSU was clearly ripped off.

[1979Shocker]

FSN just showed the replay of the buzzer beater with the clock being visible at the bottom of the screen. We recorded it and put it in slow motion with the clock in site the entire time. The clock didn't start until Woodfox was starting his 2nd dribble. So the fact is that he caught and bobbled the ball, dribbled once and started to dribble again and the clock started. It appears that the ball left his hand at .08 or .09. It also appears that at least .08 or .09 seconds were already used after he caught the ball, bobbled it and began the first dribble. WSU was clearly ripped off.

I think you mean .8 or .9 seconds.