WSU vs. Ku ever a possibility?

[owenc]

I also can't see how you can be both a KU and WSU, but it's real fun watching you try. As always, thanks for playing.

Well I'm sure this will be taken the wrong way but...

Part of the difference is that I'm a KU fan first. I'm a graduate and a season ticket holder. I follow them to most of the post season tournaments and was in San Antonio. Like most KU fans, before I lived here I really care about WSU at all. That's not meant to be a slam but just a statement of fact. The teams have only met in anger once (a game WSU won) so WSU just really don't matter much in KU's world.

As such I have no reason at all to have any bad feelings about WSU. So when I moved here it only seemed natural to follow WSU. Heck they even had a Jayhawk as a coach. Then when we started streaming the games online I found myself having to pay more attention to when games are on.

I'd say most KU fans share my feelings. They don't really have any feelings about WSU but what they do are generally good. WSU gets lots of love on kusports.com all the time. Yes they get a slam once in a while but most of the time when a thread comes up it is mostly positive.

I guess the long and short of it as a KU fan that live in Wichita why wouldn't I be a WSU fan? I can't see any reason I wouldn't be.

Chris

[owenc]

There's only two reasons it seems Chris ever posts on here. One is to defend Hubris or answer questions because the online stream doesn't work. And the other is to talk about KU in some way. There may be a rare occassion that he chimes in about something else but skimming through posts I didn't see any.

I'd say that is mostly accurate. Honestly if it wasn't for the streaming I probably wouldn't have been here to start with but when that goes away I'll probably stay.

I would add one additional topic that I posted on several times earlier in the year but have mostly given up on--I chimed in several times that I thought it lame that the fan base here gave up on this year's team so early. They are just young (like KU) and I really don't think the deserved that.

Now after the last couple of games... :D

Chris

[Indy23]

Please read and respond:

So some mysterious bad behavior that happened fifteen years ago is the reason KU won't play WSU? Even though there is nobody from either of those staffs remotely connected to either school at this time, and both schools are at least two ADs removed from who was in charge back then? ... This game would mean a lot to the people of Wichita, who provide a lot of the students and money for KU. Any hard feelings from fifteen or fifty years ago on both sides should be left in the past.

I'm not the one saying they shouldn't play. I'm only saying there are reasons why they don't. I'm not saying those reasons aren't 10 years (not 15) in the past but I do think those reasons are valid.

Frankly, I'd like to see them play. Most KU fans also probably would. Frankly they don't care much about WSU but what feeling they do have are mostly good.

My only objection is when WSU fans say there isn't any reason they shouldn't play. There are reasons and ones that many people (including me) think are fairly valid.

I also think if the shoe was on the other foot EVERYONE on this board would be incensed.

Good post, Chris. I'm with you. The unfortunate thing is that WSU fans take it so personally. What other MVC team does KU schedule? Obviously it's a very sensitive issue for some WSU fans that goes beyond sports. I imagine if I was a WSU alum I'd feel the same way.

I've said this before, but if a KU/WSU basketball series is ever going to get started again, a great place to start would be on the women's side. I wouldn't be surprised if a women's game between KU and WSU sells out IBA.

[ShockerGorilla]

It ain't ever happening. Give it a rest.

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should've been the copier. much more iconic and funny

Should have been a Jayhawk!!

[bloodgold]

KU was sent home by Bradley in the first round, when Bradley finished 5th in the MVC.

Between that and the MVC finishing ahead of the Big 12 in conference RPI, that is all of the discussion material I need.

I have only had two opportunities to bring that up with KU people---I do not raise the subject----and both times, they had no good answer. I just smiled.

The question isn't whether we would beat them. The question is why they assume that they would win.

Sienna is a recent example....on a neutral court as well.

[owenc]

Sienna is a recent example....on a neutral court as well.

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[Jhawk20]

Never happen. What is the upside for KU? They do not need the money. If they win they were supposed to win. If they lose, well, the horror, the horror. They will never play WSU except in the NCAA's.

That's not the reason. The same reasons are true of many of the schools KU plays. Those same reasons were also true during the 80s and 90s when KU played WSU 10 out of 11 years. During that period WSU had a much better chance of beating KU (and did one year).

There are specific reasons that KU won't play WSU and most of those have to do with WSU. WSU's behavior the last time they played was very bad.

Chris

If that is really the reason, that is weak schmidt.

I am not a KU fan, but I never think of them as such big puddies, but maybe I should reasess.

"WSU's behavior . . . was very bad" - Is KU a 4-year old child?

It's the pettiness and smallness like that that will prevent it from happening. Personally I would like to see the game as a fan but I also like the idea of reminding ankle-biters like you of your place.

You can call us "puddies" all you want but it makes no sense to willingly subject ourselves to that, it's retarded. We aren't the ones with something to gain out of this happening, you are. The fact you think you have some sort of power in this dynamic is amusing. We can find a lot of mid-majors to beat on at our place without having to listen to crap like this. They are usually grateful.

[Indy23]

Never happen. What is the upside for KU? They do not need the money. If they win they were supposed to win. If they lose, well, the horror, the horror. They will never play WSU except in the NCAA's.

That's not the reason. The same reasons are true of many of the schools KU plays. Those same reasons were also true during the 80s and 90s when KU played WSU 10 out of 11 years. During that period WSU had a much better chance of beating KU (and did one year).

There are specific reasons that KU won't play WSU and most of those have to do with WSU. WSU's behavior the last time they played was very bad.

Chris

If that is really the reason, that is weak schmidt.

I am not a KU fan, but I never think of them as such big puddies, but maybe I should reasess.

"WSU's behavior . . . was very bad" - Is KU a 4-year old child?

It's the pettiness and smallness like that that will prevent it from happening. Personally I would like to see the game as a fan but I also like the idea of reminding ankle-biters like you of your place.

You can call us "puddies" all you want but it makes no sense to willingly subject ourselves to that, it's retarded. We aren't the ones with something to gain out of this happening, you are. The fact you think you have some sort of power in this dynamic is amusing. We can find a lot of mid-majors to beat on at our place without having to listen to crap like this. They are usually grateful.

Hello Jhawk20. Welcome to the board. I hope you don't get banned too quickly. I'm out of place here, as a KU fan and alum myself, but please refrain from this post on this board. It isn't helpful. Say what you want on Phog.net, but on here I'd hope that you would be a good representative of KU and appreciate the WSU point of view. It's posts like yours that lead to all of this venom. If you have an interest in sticking around, I'd change the tone of your posts pretty quickly. You have some valid points, I'd just word them differently. RCJH!

[SFL]

Never happen. What is the upside for KU? They do not need the money. If they win they were supposed to win. If they lose, well, the horror, the horror. They will never play WSU except in the NCAA's.

That's not the reason. The same reasons are true of many of the schools KU plays. Those same reasons were also true during the 80s and 90s when KU played WSU 10 out of 11 years. During that period WSU had a much better chance of beating KU (and did one year).

There are specific reasons that KU won't play WSU and most of those have to do with WSU. WSU's behavior the last time they played was very bad.

Chris

If that is really the reason, that is weak schmidt.

I am not a KU fan, but I never think of them as such big puddies, but maybe I should reasess.

"WSU's behavior . . . was very bad" - Is KU a 4-year old child?

It's the pettiness and smallness like that that will prevent it from happening. Personally I would like to see the game as a fan but I also like the idea of reminding ankle-biters like you of your place.

You can call us "puddies" all you want but it makes no sense to willingly subject ourselves to that, it's retarded. We aren't the ones with something to gain out of this happening, you are. The fact you think you have some sort of power in this dynamic is amusing. We can find a lot of mid-majors to beat on at our place without having to listen to crap like this. They are usually grateful.

Hello Jhawk20. Welcome to the board. I hope you don't get banned too quickly. I'm out of place here, as a KU fan and alum myself, but please refrain from this post on this board. It isn't helpful. Say what you want on Phog.net, but on here I'd hope that you would be a good representative of KU and appreciate the WSU point of view. It's posts like yours that lead to all of this venom. If you have an interest in sticking around, I'd change the tone of your posts pretty quickly. You have some valid points, I'd just word them differently. RCJH!

I have a long history of dual allegiances to both institutions and agree with Indy. If you don’t have anything nice to say, it’s probably best to keep your ‘beak’ shut. This topic is as old and tired as I am (it resurfaces annually by a new forum member (I like the stinky/sticky idea). I’m actually one of the few on Shockernet who appreciates the support of KU fans… in fact, there are many who park near me at Koch arena and support the Shocks through ‘thick and thin’. We’re currently at a ‘thin’ stage and need everyone’s support, however the last thing we need is a Jayhawk fan rubbing salt in the wound. Yes, just like all fan bases, there are a few WSU fans that thrive on ‘stirring the pot’.

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[ShockerDave]

Never happen. What is the upside for KU? They do not need the money. If they win they were supposed to win. If they lose, well, the horror, the horror. They will never play WSU except in the NCAA's.

That's not the reason. The same reasons are true of many of the schools KU plays. Those same reasons were also true during the 80s and 90s when KU played WSU 10 out of 11 years. During that period WSU had a much better chance of beating KU (and did one year).

There are specific reasons that KU won't play WSU and most of those have to do with WSU. WSU's behavior the last time they played was very bad.

Chris

If that is really the reason, that is weak schmidt.

I am not a KU fan, but I never think of them as such big puddies, but maybe I should reasess.

"WSU's behavior . . . was very bad" - Is KU a 4-year old child?

It's the pettiness and smallness like that that will prevent it from happening. Personally I would like to see the game as a fan but I also like the idea of reminding ankle-biters like you of your place.

You can call us "puddies" all you want but it makes no sense to willingly subject ourselves to that, it's retarded. We aren't the ones with something to gain out of this happening, you are. The fact you think you have some sort of power in this dynamic is amusing. We can find a lot of mid-majors to beat on at our place without having to listen to crap like this. They are usually grateful.

We're Not Worthy!! We're Not Worthy!!

Get this guy outa here.
:-x

[ShockCity]

It'll never happen. Especially after what Bradley, Richmond, and Oral Bob have done to them. They're scared of losing to the Shockers.

[beatmu]

Smack away, Shocker fans... but there are quite a few of us who bleed crimson and blue who also want WSU to do well, too.

When you figure in Williams Fund donations required to buy season tickets, KU home basketball games with TV revenues net the AD nearly a million dollars a pop. That is why the in-state division II schools are invited to Lawrence, but a return engagement is not included. It is also why KU will only play nationally televised games against tradtional powers on the road (i.e. Arizona, Michigan State).

It is not that WSU is not worthy. It is that we are trying to compete with conference members who have outrageous athletic budgets in a multitude of sports - since you don't have that issue, I don't expect you to understand.

And since I grew up in Wichita, I also understand why some of you irrationally hate KU. No sweat off my back, hate yourself happy if you can while we enjoy the ride.

Rock Chalk -

:goshocks:

[shocker0624]

Smack away, Shocker fans... but there are quite a few of us who bleed crimson and blue who also want WSU to do well, too.

When you figure in Williams Fund donations required to buy season tickets, KU home basketball games with TV revenues net the AD nearly a million dollars a pop. That is why the in-state division II schools are invited to Lawrence, but a return engagement is not included. It is also why KU will only play nationally televised games against tradtional powers on the road (i.e. Arizona, Michigan State).

It is not that WSU is not worthy. It is that we are trying to compete with conference members who have outrageous athletic budgets in a multitude of sports - since you don't have that issue, I don't expect you to understand.

And since I grew up in Wichita, I also understand why some of you irrationally hate KU. No sweat off my back, hate yourself happy if you can while we enjoy the ride.

Rock Chalk -

:goshocks:

Great post brother

[Jhawk20]

Actually SFL and Indy that was exactly the point I was responding to and the reaction I assumed I would get. I responded to a post calling Jayhawks "puddies" and immediately got threatened with banishment. Kind of makes the whole argument that KU is a bunch of cowards when you exhibit that thin of skin look a little hypocritical.

You all can ban me and not have to deal with it (I really don't have anything against WSU, ran 4 track meets there and loved coach Hayes back in the day), just like KU can not play WSU and not have to deal with it. It's the same thing.

The reality is that KU doesn't really gain much from playing that game, if WSU fans approached the issue with that reality in mind I bet it would eventually get done as it is now there is no reason for KU to do it.

[SubGod22]

We'd all like to see the game, but none of us care that damn much if it happens. It won't happen on the terms that most KU fans think it should and it won't happen on the terms we think it should. KU has no interest in playing us even if it were a one and done @ KU on national TV. That there says it all.

And as far as coming on here with your first post like that and then complaining about someone mentioning the possibility of being banned (which came from a fellow KU fan I believe) amazes me. I've seen and heard in the past how the Phog handled the less than positive not too far back and it was quite embarrassing.