KU fans just mad cause Wichita State was the last Kansas team in the final 4

[Signman]

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Did Bill Self show up in the Harry Potter movies as Barty Crouch Jr.? Just wondering because he spends a lot of time with his tongue hanging out.

[another shocker]

the ku sympathizers should be getting on altman. he's the one that called them "chickenhawks" and then beat the hell out of them.

[ShockingButTrue]

I've said for years that the B12 is not a good basketball conference. Basis of the argument being KU wins every damn year. Add to that the fact that the B12 never seems to win anything of significance in the Big Dance, makes it harder to justify the conference as "good" at hoops. I don't know. I'm just super frustrated watching KU luck out 4-5 times a year and then always winning the conference and then failing in the big tournament.

This. Happens. Every. Year.

#ChokingChickens

[kcshocker11]

The Big 12 had better success this year. 3 to to the sweet sixteen and KU moving on to the elite eight(basically all home gamesfor KU) . That being said, being touted as the best conference all year long, its still subpar. Usually they say Big 12, 6 teams in 5 out in the round of 32 and one to the sweet sixteen.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

When Self does leave though I see them being like Arizona and dropping off for awhile.

Like Arizona? What?

Arizona made the NCAA Tournament in their first season without Lute Olsen and then went to 3 Sweet 16s (one of which was actually an Elite 8) in their next 5 years. You call that "dropping off for awhile"?

[ShockingButTrue]

You can think what you want, but the Big 12 has been the top conference in KenPom* the last four years running. And no, you cannot use KenPom to justify our position that we get screwed on seeding (which is absolutely true) and turn around and ignore its application for conference quality.

*KenPom rates the conferences by taking the Adjusted Efficiency Margin of a team that would be expected to go .500 in conference play in a respective conference, just so the methodology is understood.

b12 is replete with traditional football schools. The Chickens are the only "basketball is king" university. As are the Blue Devils, Spartans, Wildcats, Hoosiers, et. al.

[molly jabali]

the ku sympathizers should be getting on altman. he's the one that called them "chickenhawks" and then beat the hell out of them.

Yeah....he seemed to love that moment.....:)

[ShockingButTrue]

the ku sympathizers should be getting on altman. he's the one that called them "chickenhawks" and then beat the hell out of them.

What I wanna know is who do Chicken fans hate worse? Altman or GGG? Probably GGG.

[ShockerEngr]

Like Arizona? What?

Arizona made the NCAA Tournament in their first season without Lute Olsen and then went to 3 Sweet 16s (one of which was actually an Elite 8) in their next 5 years. You call that "dropping off for awhile"?

Relative to my expectations? Yes.

Relative to actual results? Not so much

[ShockingButTrue]

Like Arizona? What?

Arizona made the NCAA Tournament in their first season without Lute Olsen and then went to 3 Sweet 16s (one of which was actually an Elite 8) in their next 5 years. You call that "dropping off for awhile"?

I think he could be referring to post season championships. In the last 15 yrs. the only post season banners they have are for the Pac12 tournament, which is not bad. There's nothing beyond that. Certainly no regional's. Wildcat fans have higher expectations than that don't they?

[WSUwatcher]

Today's KC radio should be good.

I heard Fescoe already moving on and said playing in Kemper is too much pressure. Haha. What an assclown.

If playing anywhere in KC is too much pressure for The Rug's Thugs, how do they ever survive playing in the Phog? The expectations are way higher there.

[ShockingButTrue]

playing in Kemper is too much pressure. Haha. What an assclown.

lol

#ChokingChickens

[im4wsu]

Today's KC radio should be good.

I heard Fescoe already moving on and said playing in Kemper is too much pressure. Haha. What an assclown.

How about San Antoinio, Louisville, San Jose, et al.? Are those pressurized also?

[Fake Gregg Marshall]

Are there links where I could read up on these things? I'm young enough where I wasn't really aware of the med school, Maurice Evans, etc.

I'm not sure. I actually wasn't around for it, either. My first game was the Creighton game in 02-03 when they came into the Kansas Colosseum ranked No. 12 (IIRC) with Kyle Korver. I was 11. Over the years, my father educated me on Shocker history.

Another poster confirmed the story just as it was told to me, but I'll try to elaborate. Evans was a local kid, grew up a WSU fan. Highly touted and way above the level of recruit WSU typically had any shot in hell of signing. I don't know if he was a McDonald's AA, or closer to the level of Landry or Markis (feel free to clarify, anyone who knows), but at the very least it would have been similar to if Landry or Markis grew up in Baltimore and decided to go to Coppin State or something. We were bad.
So ole Roy Boy, then at KU, had been giving Evans the hard sell. When Maurice signed with us, Roy and his fellow Hawks thought it impossible that Wichita State could land a recruit that KU wanted without cheating. So they blew the whistle on us only for the NCAA to investigate and find absolutely nothing. Keep in mind, we're the same school that was put on probation years prior because our coach saw a player walking home in the cold without a coat, pulled over and threw him a coat that he had in his car. Considering that, the NCAA finding us squeaky clean shows just how delusional Roy Williams is. I may be wrong, but I think the entire KU athletic department backed him on the whole thing.

My recollection of being told what happened with the Med School is pretty foggy, but I think it boiled down to Wichita State wanting to build a med center, KU rejecting it and claiming they had already been planning on building a KU Med School in Wichita. My dad told me all about it years ago, but I seem to have not retained a whole lot of it. My (often flawed) logic tells me to assume it was purely about money and stifling Wichita State's growth in order to re-establish big brother status.

If anyone who wasn't four when all this happened would like to correct/clarify/add anything to my assessment, please do. I always love learning more about Shocker history.

Anyway, in short, KU has a record of trying to keep us under their boot.

[wufan]

I'm not sure. I actually wasn't around for it, either. My first game was the Creighton game in 02-03 when they came into the Kansas Colosseum ranked No. 12 (IIRC) with Kyle Korver. I was 11. Over the years, my father educated me on Shocker history.

Another poster confirmed the story just as it was told to me, but I'll try to elaborate. Evans was a local kid, grew up a WSU fan. Highly touted and way above the level of recruit WSU typically had any shot in hell of signing. I don't know if he was a McDonald's AA, or closer to the level of Landry or Markis (feel free to clarify, anyone who knows), but at the very least it would have been similar to if Landry or Markis grew up in Baltimore and decided to go to Coppin State or something. We were bad.
So ole Roy Boy, then at KU, had been giving Evans the hard sell. When Maurice signed with us, Roy and his fellow Hawks thought it impossible that Wichita State could land a recruit that KU wanted without cheating. So they blew the whistle on us only for the NCAA to investigate and find absolutely nothing. Keep in mind, we're the same school that was put on probation years prior because our coach saw a player walking home in the cold without a coat, pulled over and threw him a coat that he had in his car. Considering that, the NCAA finding us squeaky clean shows just how delusional Roy Williams is. I may be wrong, but I think the entire KU athletic department backed him on the whole thing.

My recollection of being told what happened with the Med School is pretty foggy, but I think it boiled down to Wichita State wanting to build a med center, KU rejecting it and claiming they had already been planning on building a KU Med School in Wichita. My dad told me all about it years ago, but I seem to have not retained a whole lot of it. My (often flawed) logic tells me to assume it was purely about money and stifling Wichita State's growth in order to re-establish big brother status.

If anyone who wasn't four when all this happened would like to correct/clarify/add anything to my assessment, please do. I always love learning more about Shocker history.

Anyway, in short, KU has a record of trying to keep us under their boot.

Evans was a WSU ball boy as a kid and always wanted to bring us back to the glory days of McDaniel and Sherod. He was ranked as high as low 20s, but fell back to around 35 nationally.