Oklahoma State ***OFFICIAL*** Game Thread

[jdshock]

So everything was correct. Standing inside the arc is grounds for a blocking foul regardless of how vertical you are and how long you've been there. Better off to jump straight up and if they happen to hit the floor, oops.

That's not my interpretation of that paragraph. I think you can remain stationary on the ground. In my interpretation, the grounded player is just subjected to the same rules as a player who jumps straight up in the air (i.e., you need to remain vertical, you aren't allowed to be moving forward or to the side, and you must have beat the offensive player to that spot).

Maybe one of our resident refs can clarify. If the rule is actually that you have to jump in the air to avoid getting called for a block, that would encourage more dangerous behavior, which opposes one of the goals of the restricted arc.

[pinstripers]

Coach explained it last night. The rule is different for Shaq as a help defender. Inside the arc, he must remain vertical and he must leave his feet.

[ShockRef]

Thank you.

Coach knows the rule.
It was changed this year by the committee, with the most input from coaches.
It was one of the major rule changes, along with coaches again being able to call timeout before the ball has been in bounded.

That is all.

[jdshock]

Coach knows the rule.
It was changed this year by the committee, with the most input from coaches.
It was one of the major rule changes, along with coaches again being able to call timeout before the ball has been in bounded.

That is all.

That seems to indicate the call on Shaq is an easy foul call every single time since he didn't leave his feet. Is that right?

In the clip, Shaq kind of goes to his tip toes before he gets hit. I assumed that was just him bracing for impact, but maybe that was a half-hearted effort at leaving the floor. That's probably what my "jump" would look like if I were forced to run back and forth on a basketball court.

[ShockRef]

That seems to indicate the call on Shaq is an easy foul call every single time since he didn't leave his feet. Is that right?

In the clip, Shaq kind of goes to his tip toes before he gets hit. I assumed that was just him bracing for impact, but maybe that was a half-hearted effort at leaving the floor. That's probably what my "jump" would look like if I were forced to run back and forth on a basketball court.

Yes, as long as you leave your feet.

I had one coach admit to me at the start of the year he had his players doing nothing but jumping in the RA with arms/hands extended for 45 minutes of a practice.

Conversely, the previous rule regarding secondary defenders in the RA remains in effect if they do NOT leave their feet.
It is a blocking foul EVERY time.

That is all.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Appreciate the video clip jdshock. On second and third and forth look it sure looks to me like ShaQ had great defensive position (my opinion Jamar President). btw...sorry for offending you.

However I obviously misquoted myself in last night post saying it should have been a charge call. After viewing the clip multiple times...in my opinion (and again I apologize Jamar President for my opinion)...it should've been a no-call. Seen that happen many times in other non-Shocker games where the ref simply determines a no-call. Looks to me the Shockers bench and Coach Marshall felt the same way judging by their reactions. But again just my opinion.

Dude, I wasn't offended, and you don't need to apologize for having an opinion. My gripe was solely that you claimed we all must acknowledge that Shaq gets screwed every game. Surely you don't actually believe everyone shares that opinion.

[ShockdaWorld]

That makes sense.

Makes no sense. That's the point. Apparently it was the correct call according to the rule, just a bad rule.

[pinstripers]

Makes no sense. That's the point. Apparently it was the correct call according to the rule, just a bad rule.

yeah........don't get it at all

[im4wsu]

As I understand the intent, the player intending to draw a charge call must be outside the arc OR if inside the arc, be attempting to block the shot (this is where leaving the feet comes into it). The intent seems to be to eliminate the concept of just creating contact to draw a charge. This rule applies only to secondary "help" defenders.

[Stickboy46]

As I understand the intent, the player intending to draw a charge call must be outside the arc OR if inside the arc, be attempting to block the shot (this is where leaving the feet comes into it). The intent seems to be to eliminate the concept of just creating contact to draw a charge. This rule applies only to secondary "help" defenders.

I feel like making a player leave his feet to combat another player leaving his feet is just asking for injuries.

[ShockRef]

As I understand the intent, the player intending to draw a charge call must be outside the arc OR if inside the arc, be attempting to block the shot (this is where leaving the feet comes into it). The intent seems to be to eliminate the concept of just creating contact to draw a charge. This rule applies only to secondary "help" defenders.

Spot on and it is a good rule.

Actually, we can have an offensive foul if the contact is initiated against the defensive player in the RA if he is vertical and has left the floor.

That is all.

[WuShock16]

Coach knows the rule.
It was changed this year by the committee, with the most input from coaches.
It was one of the major rule changes, along with coaches again being able to call timeout before the ball has been in bounded.

That is all.

I had not heard this bit of news...or if I did, I forgot. Interesting.

[ShockdaWorld]

Spot on and it is a good rule.

Actually, we can have an offensive foul if the contact is initiated against the defensive player in the RA if he is vertical and has left the floor.

That is all.

So, the foul called was correct, regardless of how long Shaq had been standing there or how vertical he may have been because he was the help side defender? But, if he had jumped, it would not have been a foul (or would have been an offensive foul) as long as he maintained that verticality?

[im4wsu]

JD Collins explains the rule's intent beginning at the 8:58 mark of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4hkblhCl-U&feature=youtu.be

[Aargh]

It makes some sense if you look at it as a defender can attempt to block the shot, but can't just stand there to block the player. A little like pass interference in football. As long as you're playing the ball, it's OK. If you're playing the player instead of the ball - not OK.

That brings the concept that if the defender is "playing the ball" and maintains verticality, then if the offensive player jumps into him, it could become a charge call. That would probably only get called if the contact compromised the defender's ability to "play the ball" within his area of certicality. I doubt there are many driving perimeter players who could negatively affect Shaq in a mid-air collision.