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The Innovation Campus is nowhere close to being privately funded. Unless of course you mean the private dollars that were invested in the WSU bonds that have built IC, which would be kind of an odd way to talk about "private" funding. Closest thing to the IC getting private dollars so far is the partial donation from the Kochs for the Maker Space, and the lease payments WSU will get from Airbus.

Oh, and at the risk of repeating myself, the "massive" cuts at WSU amount to 3%.

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"Closest thing to the IC getting private dollars so far is the partial donation from the Kochs for the Maker Space, and the lease payments WSU will get from Airbus."---

Uhm, this is a significant amount of money.

The dollars committed to the IC for present building, as well, are monies that are already committed--not new money that will need to be raised. It remains to be seen as to how far and fast the IC continues depending on continued funding coming forward. It may just all take a big step back and pause for awhile. Nobody knows at this point.

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You've also got commitments for the IC from Dassault Systems, NetApp, Tech Mahindra, and ABI. When you've got that kind of private commitment, many things are possible. Your risk as a university, and to your established programs, is greatly diminished.

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Even the new dormitory, that was to be built on the IC (since put on hold) was to be built with NO student funding or State funding.

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You've also got commitments for the IC from Dassault Systems, NetApp, Tech Mahindra, and ABI. When you've got that kind of private commitment, many things are possible. Your risk as a university, and to your established programs, is greatly diminished.

Well first off, most of the companies on your list are commitments that are basically at the handshake level, if that, and secondly, there's nothing currently being constructed for those companies, unless of course you include infrastructure.

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Even the new dormitory, that was to be built on the IC (since put on hold) was to be built with NO student funding or State funding.

Yeah, most likely through the sale of debt obligations, which is how the IC that we see in current state is being overwhelmingly funded. The debt obligations then supported via dorm fees... you know, kind of like the other one that just went up.

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This topic is the cover story in this week's Wichita Business Journal:

http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/print-edition/2016/05/13/cover-story-wsu-footballs-realignment-reasoning.html

Sorry I don't have a subscription so I can't recap.

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Well first off, most of the companies on your list are commitments that are basically at the handshake level, if that, and secondly, there's nothing currently being constructed for those companies, unless of course you include infrastructure.

Incorrect--there are "signed formal agreements" as announced by the University.

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This topic is the cover story in this week's Wichita Business Journal:

http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/print-edition/2016/05/13/cover-story-wsu-footballs-realignment-reasoning.html

Sorry I don't have a subscription so I can't recap.

Wish I was a subscriber so that I could read it as well. Alas, I'm assuming that this is more of an opinion piece--nothing wrong with that--it is what this thread (and all threads) are as well.

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Alas, I'm assuming that this is more of an opinion piece

Why would you assume that. It is the cover story in a news magazine. It is not an editorial. There may be some opinions cited in the story, I do not know, but I see no basis for your assumption.

Bill Roy mentioned it briefly this morning on the Steve and Ted morning show on KNSS 1330. It apparently does include some discussion of why it might be a good move for WSU academically. The story byline also mentions that there are both benefits and pitfalls which would lead one to believe there may be some balance in the story.

Hopefully, someone will have access to the story and can recap.

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The Innovation Campus, to the extent currently and immediately planned and under construction (Experiential Engineering Building, street/utility infrastructure, dirt work), is funded by the sale of $45M in bonds (WSU debt, effectively):

http://www.wichita.edu/thisis/stories/story.asp?si=3120

http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/blog/techflash/2015/04/state-finalizing-review-of-wichita-state-s.html

The Maker Space portion of the above is being partially funded with a $3.75M donation from the Koch's:

http://www.kansas.com/news/business/article41948754.html

The Airbus building is being financed by a group of local investors:

http://www.wichita.edu/thisis/stories/story.asp?si=2781

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Incorrect--there are "signed formal agreements" as announced by the University.

You're really bad at this.

Provide some proof. So far in this thread (and generally on this forum) you make stuff up, people destroy you with facts and links, and like an animal that survives the apocalypse you pop back up with more unsubstantiated nonsense. You're like a broken record that doesn't know it is broken.

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You've also got commitments for the IC from Dassault Systems, NetApp, Tech Mahindra, and ABI. When you've got that kind of private commitment, many things are possible. Your risk as a university, and to your established programs, is greatly diminished.

Dassault Systemes will generate eight jobs, and presumably will take up tens of SF at the new Experiential Engineering Building:

http://www.kansas.com/news/local/education/article28402384.html

There's been zero news on the NetApp partnership going on two years now, and they're laying lots of people off in Wichita (I personally know several of those engineers):

http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/news/2016/03/02/netapp-lays-off-workers-in-wichita.html

Tech Mahindra signed a "Memorandum of Understanding" also two years ago. Still crickets with regards to something actually happening:

http://www.techmahindra.com/media/press_releases/Tech_Mahindra_signs_MoU_with_Wichita_State_University.aspx

The ABI news looks to be about the scale of Dassault, with regards to the Innovation Campus:

http://www.wichita.edu/thisis/stories/story.asp?si=2456

None of the above are significant in the slightest at this point in time. From the private side of the IC public-private partnership, the Airbus move is more or less the only thing of any significance.

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You're really bad at this.

Provide some proof. So far in this thread (and generally on this forum) you make stuff up, people destroy you with facts and links, and like an animal that survives the apocalypse you pop back up with more unsubstantiated nonsense. You're like a broken record that doesn't know it is broken.

Man, chill out---be civil. I know that's hard on a message board. I'm not making stuff up---I haven't been destroyed by any facts in the least. As far as a link---took me all of 10 seconds to find...ez goes it, friend.
Here's the link that completely shows that your statement stating the agreements are "basically at the handshake level" is indeed incorrect. The words are clearly printed "The following organizations have signed formal agreements to have a presence on the Innovation Campus. Maybe I'm not "really bad at this"? Cool the rhetoric.

http://webs.wichita.edu/?u=wsuinnovationcampus&p=/partners/

You can keep coming at me with the insults...that's fine...I can take it. But there is no denying that these are tough financial times for the university. If you've read the newspaper at all over the past several months, you know that to be the case. If you know any of the Administrative people on campus, you know what they are sweating through--and a lot more sweat is ahead for next year. When you're struggling to feed the family in your household, do you go out and buy a new motor home? That gets bad gas mileage? And only depreciates?

Also, please back-up your wild and FALSE accusation that I "generally on this forum" make stuff up? Laughable. You obviously have me confused with someone else. With statements like that, you have ZERO credibility.