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Originally posted by choida View PostWe need more hits and less misses... I get that recruiting is about getting as much potential talent as possible and see who fits your system...
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1. CF probably understands GM's demands better than anyone
2. CF spent his whole HS career beating double teams with dribbling and passing
3. CF had five TO's in 470 minutes against D1 competition
4. CF is the best shooter of all the candidates
5. CF has played in two S16's now
6. CF will start out at PG unless LS becomes the better alternative that would free CF for the two guard
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Originally posted by asiseeit View Post1. CF probably understands GM's demands better than anyone
2. CF spent his whole HS career beating double teams with dribbling and passing
3. CF had five TO's in 470 minutes against D1 competition
4. CF is the best shooter of all the candidates
5. CF has played in two S16's now
6. CF will start out at PG unless LS becomes the better alternative that would free CF for the two guard"I not sure that I've ever been around a more competitive player or young man than Fred VanVleet. I like to win more than 99.9% of the people in this world, but he may top me." -- Gregg Marshall 12/23/13 :peaceful:
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Remember when Nancy Pelosi said about Obamacare:
"We have to pass it, to find out what's in it".
A physician called into a radio show and said:
"That's the definition of a stool sample."
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Originally posted by asiseeit View Post1. CF probably understands GM's demands better than anyone
2. CF spent his whole HS career beating double teams with dribbling and passing
3. CF had five TO's in 470 minutes against D1 competition
4. CF is the best shooter of all the candidates
5. CF has played in two S16's now
6. CF will start out at PG unless LS becomes the better alternative that would free CF for the two guard
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Originally posted by SHURTZtheHERTZ View PostCF will look closer to high school CF next season than current college CF."Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should accomplish with your ability."
-John Wooden
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I usually lurk here but I feel compelled. CF certainly knows what is going on in Marshall's system and has a high basketball IQ, but if he can't hit his 3's, he doesn't have a place on the floor. Koch Arena jitters be damned, he's been practicing in that gym for a year now. Landry is going to start, CF at the 2 (in my opinion) for the following reasons:
Frankamp seemed to be extremely hesitant this year, which I hope is a byproduct of deferring to Ron and FVV. In the limited action Landry saw, he seemed to handle the ball well, made good decisions, didn't turn it over, and could penetrate; not much hesitation. This leaves Frankamp at the 2 which will hopefully lead to open looks from 3 and/or Frankamp ISO on the perimeter, put the defender on skates, pull up jumper (which looks beautiful and natural for CF).
In my opinion, we need someone that can create their own offense (you all remember a guy named Cleanthony?). While Conner isn't Cle, he certainly has the ability to make space and hit a contested jumper. PG isn't the position we want an instant offense guy at (evidence being this year when Ron would disappear and Fred was stuck carrying an all too heavy load).
In my opinion the starting 5 looks like this next year:
Landry, CF, Zach Brown, McDuffie, Shaq.
Meaningful minutes from Kelly, Daishon Smith, Peyton Allen and Rauno. Ty Taylor transfers out.
The only question mark in my mind is the 4/5 position specifically on the defensive end. It amazes me that both of our bigs were 6'8" non-rim-protectors, and we had the best defense in the country by far. Adding a guy that can protect the rim while giving Shaq a breather would be monumental for us, I do believe (think Ehimen Orupke). Shaq needs to "harvest some of that mass" into muscle, work on endurance, and he is going to be a great junior and senior.
Now to get banned from ShockerNet......
Ron and Fred arguably had their worst seasons this year (statistically and via the "eye test"). They controlled the offense, which would be fine, but it was chronically lethargic all year. Ball screens at the perimeter until the shot clock is under 10 seconds and were scrambling to get up a shot. How many times did we see it this year? Our offense was downright bad and FVV and RB were running the show. Ron specifically seemed to change his game this season to more fit what he would be doing in the NBA (ISO, step backs, turn around jumpers... a lot of 1-on-1). Whereas in previous years he attacked the basket, ran the floor, and knocked down big shots. Fred was hurt at the beginning of the season, so I get it, but by March, we shouldn't be struggling to hang 50 points on UNI. It is unacceptable at this point in where the program is at. Part of issue (again, this is all just my opinion, put your pitchforks away) was that the younger guys didn't want to mess it up for RB and FVV, so they deferred to them on offense, which magnified the flat, no movement offense we seemed to always get stuck in. I think a good portion of Frankamp's issues with confidence this year stem from deferring to Ron and Fred to run the show offensively as opposed to playing his game (which was desperately needed when we were on 4 minute + droughts).
For these reasons I think we get better next year. No lofty expectations, guys shouldn't be pressing as much.
Obviously leadership and the intangibles will hurt, but team defense is the name of game, and I don't think that falls off by losing who we lost. The concern with losing Ron and Fred should be an offensive concern, and our offense was just embarrassingly bad this year.
I love Ron and Fred, they gave me some of my most cherished basketball memories ever, but it is a new day in Wichita and I think our younger guys blossom without the ominous cloud of pressure to succeed looming overhead.
Hopefully Landry was hanging on every one of Fred's words this season and soaked as much as possible.
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Originally posted by SHURTZtheHERTZ View PostThey only way CF doesn't start is if One of Allan/Keyser/Smith play well enough to force CF to the bench.
CF will look closer to high school CF next season than current college CF.
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Originally posted by IndianaShocker View PostMy comments were based on years of playing, coaching, and observing this game.
Originally posted by IndianaShocker View PostIf you believe 2016 was the pinnacle, well I'm sorry but we were CBI level on offense.
Originally posted by IndianaShocker View PostSo do you think its a pipe dream and IRRESPONSIBLE to expect our offense will be better than CBI level next season?
None of these thoughts mean the team cannot be. My point is that it's unreasonable to expect it. I'll bet Drake fans think they're going to improve enough to compete for a Valley Championship. It's not unreasonable to hope, it's unreasonable to expect, given the facts.
Originally posted by IndianaShocker View PostRon & Fred are leaving this program in better shape than when they arrived. And next years team will show that.
Let's face it, we won 16 games by an average of 20 points. Everyone could close 15 points, and they'd still be 16-2 or near. But to be better, there's almost no room for error and to expect a team with NO seniors to be that locked in for 40 games is a bit much. No, it IS IRRESPONSIBLE.
Originally posted by IndianaShocker View PostOur season next year, good or bad, is not a reflection on Ron nor Fred. It will be a reflection of the 2017 players and coaches. We have kids that are special. Especially special in the MVC.
Don't sell our 2017 team short.
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