NCAA Tournament Scores and Discussion Thread

[molly jabali]

Understatement of the year. Haha!

I literally jumped out of my chair....

[shocka khan]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...-the-reckoning


thought this should be re-posted

My how time flies......That article is only about 4 years old, and here we are in 2016, nothing done, no punishment handed down......./Sarcasm off.

[kcshocker11]

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[Jamar Howard 4 President]

what happened to the vaunted big-12 defense that i've read so much about on shockernet?

The top 3 defensive teams in the Big 12 were KU, WVU, and OU. Those 3 teams played 10 NCAA games this year, and 8 out of 10 times, they held their opponent below their season average for points/possession.

Everyone laughs at OU vs Villanova, but the Sooners had very impressive defensive performances against Texas A&M and Oregon in order to get there.

One freakish game vs the eventual national champs and everyone lets their emotions take over and they totally forget about all the other data points.

Facts are hard.

[ShockdaWorld]

The trouble for the Big12 isn't that they can't play defense (although some of their teams often APPEAR to choose not to). The trouble is they don't play well AGAINST good defenses. KU and WVU choose to play defense more often than the others, and KU has better offense to go along with it. Thus, they win the conference year after year.

[ShockdaWorld]

The top 3 defensive teams in the Big 12 were KU, WVU, and OU. Those 3 teams played 10 NCAA games this year, and 8 out of 10 times, they held their opponent below their season average for points/possession.

Everyone laughs at OU vs Villanova, but the Sooners had very impressive defensive performances against Texas A&M and Oregon in order to get there.

One freakish game vs the eventual national champs and everyone lets their emotions take over and they totally forget about all the other data points.

Facts are hard.

You chose only their top 3 defensive teams, and I can see why (kind of). How does this string of thinking play out if you include all of the b12-2 teams that were in the tournament?

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

You chose only their top 3 defensive teams, and I can see why (kind of). How does this string of thinking play out if you include all of the b12-2 teams that were in the tournament?

Overall, Big 12 defenses were 11-5 in 16 games vs. opponent's avg efficiency. This includes 3 games by Iowa State, who wasn't even a top 100 defense this year. That is why I focused on the "Big 3", because KU/WVU/OU were the only "elite" ranked defenses from the Big 12. Anyone suggesting those teams didn't play good defense in the tournament is blinded by hatred.

[wusphlash]

Good game. What an ending.

Understatement of the year. Haha!

True. Was feeling a little melancholy about our absence.

[Kel Varnsen]

You chose only their top 3 defensive teams, and I can see why (kind of). How does this string of thinking play out if you include all of the b12-2 teams that were in the tournament?

The rest:

Texas Tech held Butler (1.162) to 1.09 PPP in their game.
Iowa State held Iona (1.096) to 1.04 PPP, Arkansas-Little Rock (1.081) to 0.97 PPP, and Virginia (1.185) to 1.22 PPP.
Baylor allowed Yale (1.087) to score 1.18 PPP.
Texas allowed UNI (1.072) to score 1.19 PPP.

So the rest was a mixed bag. If you include these, 11 out of 16 times, the Big 12 team held their opponent to fewer PPP than their season average (stats are adjusted per KenPom). Some of these were expected...Baylor's defense was ranked lower than Yale's offense and Iowa State's defense was ranked lower than Virginia's offense.

EDIT: Damn, Jamar beat me to it!

[Cdizzle]

Big 12 teams still suck at defense.

[ShockdaWorld]

Overall, Big 12 defenses were 11-5 in 16 games vs. opponent's avg efficiency. This includes 3 games by Iowa State, who wasn't even a top 100 defense this year. That is why I focused on the "Big 3", because KU/WVU/OU were the only "elite" ranked defenses from the Big 12. Anyone suggesting those teams didn't play good defense in the tournament is blinded by hatred.

This is what I wondered was how well the entire conference did. Thanks. I wasn't sure how it would come out if you included Texas, Baylor, ISU, Texas Tech. Better than I expected to be honest. How did they do against actual score per game rather than per possession? Does that come out pretty similarly, or does it change quite a bit due to the number of possessions?

[ShockerFever]

Big 12 teams still suck at defense.

Yep

[pie n eye]

I'm just glad a team from a mid major conference got the NC this year.