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  • Time to kill non P5 auto tourney bids.

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    • As much as I hate what the P5 Selection Committee did to make the tourney so much less than it should have been, I don't hate our bracket. Yes, we have to win an extra game, but there's not a doubt in my mind that if we play as well as we can (Utah comes to mind), we are very capable of pushing our way into the Elite 8 and possibly beyond. The only question is can we find the magic we had against Utah for the next 7 games? We probably don't need to play THAT well every game, as our defense could force some teams into bad nights, but we need to be able to play that well every game.
      "You Don't Have to Play a Perfect Game. Your Best is Good Enough."

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      • Originally posted by shockmonster View Post
        Gregg looked tired and disappointed to me. Who knows for sure.
        He sure did. His ESPN text app keep going off too.

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        • Originally posted by Jamar Howard 4 President View Post
          As much as I'm angry at the committee, anyone acting like this year is lost is dumb. WSU is still playing, on neutral sites, and can make the Sweet 16 without needing to beat a single team ranked ahead of them in KenPom. I'm as nerdy of a numbers guy as anyone, but now it is what it is, and it is time to play some basketball.

          KenPom
          WSU - 12
          Vandy - 27
          Arizona - 16
          Miami - 13
          Well, Vanderbilt is the weakest KenPom team of a tough bunch, so if anyone doubts whether they belong and are in just because they're from a P5 conference, the Shocks need to beat them lest we get a big "I told you so" from Palm and his ilk.

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          • The head of selection committee said Saint Mary's wasn't included because "their best road win was at Loyola".

            They won at Gonzaga.

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            • You can imagine how well the St. Mary's fans and team are taking that comment.

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              • IMO kenpom is the best metric for evaluating the intrinsic value of a team. If you don't think so, ask yourself this question; would your rather play the AP #11 team with a kenpom rating of 35 or an un-ranked team with a kenpom of 11? Obviously there are many other variables to consider, but I place more value in kenpom than other ratings, especially human ones.

                If you look at the kepom data for this tournament, there are some things that really jump out to me...I have highlighted them here.


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                “Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
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                • Help! I need somebody!

                  I am not too interested in bracketology, so I need some help.

                  What is the NCAA's rationalization for having two teams play for an eleven seed. It seems to me that if both are worthy of an 11 seed, then one team would be given an 11 seed and the other given an 11 or lower seed. Both would qualify for the tournament.
                  "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it is about the future."

                  --Niels Bohr







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                  • Originally posted by Ricardo del Rio View Post
                    Help! I need somebody!

                    I am not too interested in bracketology, so I need some help.

                    What is the NCAA's rationalization for having two teams play for an eleven seed. It seems to me that if both are worthy of an 11 seed, then one team would be given an 11 seed and the other given an 11 or lower seed. Both would qualify for the tournament.
                    They are two of the last 4 at large teams awarded a birth. The teams behind them are all teams that earned auto-bids, but are rated below the 11 seeds. There are also play in games for the lowest rated auto bids.
                    "You Don't Have to Play a Perfect Game. Your Best is Good Enough."

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                    • Originally posted by Ricardo del Rio View Post
                      Help! I need somebody!

                      I am not too interested in bracketology, so I need some help.

                      What is the NCAA's rationalization for having two teams play for an eleven seed. It seems to me that if both are worthy of an 11 seed, then one team would be given an 11 seed and the other given an 11 or lower seed. Both would qualify for the tournament.
                      Last 4 teams selected for an At-large play, and the last 4 teams ranked as Auto bids play. It really just allows 4 more at large selections

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                      • I think that they are both 11 seeds because the play in games are an extra round and it keeps the seeding numbers in the brackets nice and neat. Otherwise, you would have seeds 1 though 17, but the seed positions for 11 through 17 could be a little wonky from regional to regional.

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                        • Actual photo of NCAA Selection Committee Building.

                          The plaque below the "sculpture" reads: Hey Non P5, can you hear me now?!
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                          • Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but if it wasn't for us, there would be zero at-large "mid-majors" this year if you don't count the BE, AAC, and A-10 as mid-majors. That's just gross.
                            "You Don't Have to Play a Perfect Game. Your Best is Good Enough."

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                            • I heard a good argument on how lame it was to include Syracuse in the field.

                              The NCAA suspended JB for nine games. Punished for running a cheating program.

                              Then, they state they took into account that the team played those games without their coach.

                              So..... The same organization that punished a man, throws that out the window when judging that man's team?! *All the LOLs*
                              The Assman

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                              • Originally posted by ShockdaWorld View Post
                                They are two of the last 4 at large teams awarded a birth. The teams behind them are all teams that earned auto-bids, but are rated below the 11 seeds. There are also play in games for the lowest rated auto bids.
                                Oh ok. I think I understand now. So the Shocks made it by hair of their chinny, chin, chin.

                                Thanks to you and others for the explanation.
                                "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it is about the future."

                                --Niels Bohr







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