Coaches show

[Dan]

Those are some nice satin shorts Texas Tech has. They should bring those back on Throwback day. Is that a belt on Armstrong's shorts? Hilarious.

[wufan]

If we can't add Warren to the group of Shocker All-Americans maybe we could start another grouping of players. Call them the All-Time Bad Ass Shocker Studs.

Warren Armstrong and Tekele Cotton would make a good pair to start with.

While I agree, they already have that honor. It's called the Shocker Hall of Fame.

[wufan]

Ron is one of the top guards in the nation and has been for about three years. He is every bit as important as Fred. Jason Perez was a stand out in a dark time and very talented, but I dont think he was anywhere close to Ron. Ron does EVERYTHING well. Thats his strong point.

Jason also did everything well. He was pretty special. I think Ron is better.

As an example, Mo Evans and Jason Perez played two seasons together at WSU. Off the top of my head, and think Jason averaged about 14 and 16 in those two years. Mo averaged like 13 and 23. The Shockers were a .500 team. Mo then transferred to Texas where he averaged about 15 points in his senior year on a quality team.

Jason Perez on this WSU team might average around 11 ppg. We would consider him equivalent to Cotton perhaps. Excellent player? Yes! Special? Absolutely! All-American? Nope.

[1972Shocker]

Jason also did everything well. He was pretty special. I think Ron is better.

As an example, Mo Evans and Jason Perez played two seasons together at WSU. Off the top of my head, and think Jason averaged about 14 and 16 in those two years. Mo averaged like 13 and 23. The Shockers were a .500 team. Mo then transferred to Texas where he averaged about 15 points in his senior year on a quality team.

Jason Perez on this WSU team might average around 11 ppg. We would consider him equivalent to Cotton perhaps. Excellent player? Yes! Special? Absolutely! All-American? Nope.

Tough to truly compare players from different eras, different teams, different coaches, different systems, different training. How would Ron have done on Jason's teams? How would Jason of have done in Ron's place if he were playing today. I think they both would have done very well and perhaps be pretty comparable.

Their career stats are pretty comparable (Ron's are through the Indiana State game):

Points Per Game: Jason 15.7; Ron 13.2
Rebounds Per Game: Jason 5.6; Ron 4.0
Assists Per Game: Jason 2.6; Ron 2.7
Steals Per Game: Jason 1.9; Ron 1.3
Blocks Per Game: Jason 0.17; Ron 0.60

Overall FG%: Jason 44.9%; Ron 43.5%
3-Pointt FG%: Jason 37.6%; Ron 37.6%
Free Throw %: Jason 78.0%; Ron 80.1%

You would expect Jason to have a higher scoring average because his team relied on him more to carry the scoring load.

I suppose the big difference between Ron and Jason is in number of games won although that is a team statistic more than an individual statistic.

Both are great Shocker players. Ron probably the better athlete. Maybe Ron is the better of the two but the gap is not exactly the grand canyon. It hasn't hurt Ron to have Fred running the show at the point. I suspect Jason would have enjoyed playing with Fred very much.

[1972Shocker]

Those are some nice satin shorts Texas Tech has. They should bring those back on Throwback day. Is that a belt on Armstrong's shorts? Hilarious.

And they all pretty much wore Chuck Taylor Converse All-Stars



That was about it. No Nike. No Adidas. No Reebok. Etc. Your choice was pretty much white Converse All-Stars or black Converse All-Stars and I don't remember many teams wearing the black shoes.

I remember getting my 1st pair when I started playing high school ball. No way I could make the team unless I had a pair of Converse All-Stars! My parents thought the $12.50 or whatever the cost at that time was pretty outrageous.

[shockmonster]

Tough to truly compare players from different eras, different teams, different coaches, different systems, different training. How would Ron have done on Jason's teams? How would Jason of have done in Ron's place if he were playing today.
Both are great Shocker players. Ron probably the better athlete. Maybe Ron is the better of the two but the gap is not exactly the grand canyon. It hasn't hurt Ron to have Fred running the show at the point. I suspect Jason would have enjoyed playing with Fred very much.

Terry Hankton was a very good Shocker point guard on the team with Jason Perez. That team wasn't without talent. Mo and Darrin Williams were pretty good too.

IMO, Ron is the better player.

[ShockTalk]

Interesting points here. Would Jason be a 2 or 3 on this team? Was he quick enough to be a wing in Marshall's system? We all saw how Evan struggled to guard the wing, I wonder how Perez would do.

Let me just say this: Jason is the same height as Evan. Jason was a G/F, but played mostly the 3, giving Evans the 2 position his sophomore and junior years. After Maurice left, the Shocks roster forced Jason to play the 4. That was the year he averaged over 20 PPG, finished second in MVC POY and made MVC First Team. Any minutes Evan is getting this year or past, Jason would have definitely gotten, probably taken some from others, and given you all BBIQ and toughness you'd want, plus double digit scoring.

[wufan]

Let me just say this: Jason is the same height as Evan. Jason was a G/F, but played mostly the 3, giving Evans the 2 position his sophomore and junior years. After Maurice left, the Shocks roster forced Jason to play the 4. That was the year he averaged over 20 PPG, finished second in MVC POY and made MVC First Team. Any minutes Evan is getting this year or past, Jason would have definitely gotten, probably taken some from others, and given you all BBIQ and toughness you'd want, plus double digit scoring.

Have to agree.

[Dan]

Terry Hankton was a very good Shocker point guard on the team with Jason Perez. That team wasn't without talent. Mo and Darrin Williams were pretty good too.

IMO, Ron is the better player.

We were a typical Valley team. 3-4 good players and nothing behind them.

[pogo]

And they all pretty much wore Chuck Taylor Converse All-Stars



That was about it. No Nike. No Adidas. No Reebok. Etc. Your choice was pretty much white Converse All-Stars or black Converse All-Stars and I don't remember many teams wearing the black shoes.

I remember getting my 1st pair when I started playing high school ball. No way I could make the team unless I had a pair of Converse All-Stars! My parents thought the $12.50 or whatever the cost at that time was pretty outrageous.

Those bad boys had a gray sole and I swear had a better grip on the floor than "others". At least that was the way it seemed to me.

[DUShock]

What questions can we expect from Shockernetters?

[Dave Stalwart]

What questions can we expect from Shockernetters?

I was planning on asking if the players practice shooting free throws, and then why Evan Wessel is still on the roster.

[Eric]

Those bad boys had a gray sole and I swear had a better grip on the floor than "others". At least that was the way it seemed to me.

yes but the insides never fit quite right. After the first day of practice you'd have blisters the size of Volkswagens.

[shock]

I was planning on asking if the players practice shooting free throws, and then why Evan Wessel is still on the roster.

Mention the yo yo!!

[shockmonster]

I was planning on asking if the players practice shooting free throws, and then why Evan Wessel is still on the roster.

You forgot to sign your name.

S. Khan

Sorry Shaka. I couldn't resist. :)