2016 Bracketology

[Stickboy46]

100% agree with you here on the first point. I'm not saying I think WSU is out, I'm pretty sure an at large bid is in store. But everyone saying Jerry Palm is an idiot for his opinion is interesting because he has a valid point.

And Lawrence is not my hometown. Far from it.

He does not have a valid point. He has 1 data point. He uses the one data point to say that the resume isn't good enough for an at large. The problem is that the resume consists of multiple data points and every other data point shows WSU as solidly in. So no he doesn't have a valid point.

[Dave Stalwart]

Gut feeling your in if you win the quarters.

The real trouble will come into play when Drake makes their run and we face them on Sunday.

[Kung Wu]

If we lose tomorrow, are we in? If so what seed?

[ShockTalk]

If we lose tomorrow, are we in? If so what seed?

[Jhook89]

Nothing you listed is analytical

KenPom : 8
BPI : 23
Sagarin : 19
NPI : 11
Massey Composite : 25

All point to safely in.

Even RPI and KPI are all mid 30s which should be safely in.

Haha like I said, my point is not if WSU will make it or not!! I've never once said we won't make it in. I think we are clearly in at this point. My point was that we had a stronger resume last year and got a 7 seed, so I wouldn't be surprised if we wind up with a double digit seed this year.

Also, analytics- "the systematic computational analysis of data or statistics."
Lol how was my break down of the numbers given by the RPI not analytics?

[Jhook89]

Is there a special category for fringe top 100 wins now?

Lol

I would venture to guess the committee puts more stock in victories over teams ranked in the 50's and 60's who are fighting for an at-large bid than those in the 90's who aren't even close to the bubble. Lol
My main point with that comment though was that it's very possible that Evansville and UNI could drop out of the top 100 this weekend. Not likely, but possible.

[ShockerFever]

Is winning against #8 by 17 impressive?

[Jhook89]

Haslametrics - #7
Kenpom - #8
NPI - #11
Sagarin - #19
Coaches Poll - #23
BPI - #23
Massey Composite - #25
AP Poll - #28
NCAA RPI - #38

Average - 20.2R

That equates to the first-up #6 seed on the s-curve, if it were just solely based on polls and analytics. We then get punished anywhere from one to five seed lines because we lost four games with serious injury and eligibility issues, lost another road game against a solid opponent due to the whims of the officiating crew, and then legitimately lost two games in conference to not-at-all-terrible teams.

Lol guess I'll say it again.... My point is that last year we had a stronger resume based off of polls and analytics than we did last year and got a 7 seed. The committee doesn't seem to favor WSU very much, so I wouldn't be surprised to see us get a 10-11 seed.

[ShockerFever]

Lol guess I'll say it again.... My point is that last year we had a stronger resume based off of polls and analytics than we did last year and got a 7 seed. The committee doesn't seem to favor WSU very much, so I wouldn't be surprised to see us get a 10-11 seed.

You took 1 year and are basing everything around it. The committee is allowed to move a team 2 seeds off their true seed line if need be. They wanted a WSU-KU matchup so WSU's 5 became a 7.

You lol and haha a lot.

[WSUwatcher]

Top 40 RPI
Since 1990-91, 956 (96.3%) out of a total 993 NCAA teams have been rated in the top 40 RPI on Selection Sunday and have made the NCAA Tournament.

This is why I think the RPI is a good indicator on who makes the Big Dance.


Top 50 RPI
Since 1990-91, 47 MVC teams have been rated in the top 50 RPI on Selection Sunday. Of those teams, 34 (72.3%) made the NCAA Tournament, while 13 (27.7%) participated in the NIT.

This is why I think our semi-okay RPI is making me nervous as of today.

Source: MVC Media Guide

Hmmm...

(a) Why cite the top 40 in one stat and top 50 in the other? That seems to mess up any logical connection right there. Perhaps the MVC office is cherry picking the data?

(b) Selection committee members have been quoted on many occasions as to how little attention they pay to RPI, which is more widely regarded each year as having mostly outlived its usefulness -- 1990 forward is ancient history when it comes to RPI and how it's now used, or not used. They also have available some of the analytical metrics (such as KenPom, which has played a part in causing ESPN's Eamonn Brennan already to call WSU a lock) that from all indications carry increasing weight with the selectors and make WSU look much better than RPI does.

RPI is a big deal to lots of people looking from the outside in because it's well known and familiar, but based on their own comments there's actually little reason to believe the committee members are much influenced by it at all, or are likely to be led astray by it in regard to WSU.

[pie n eye]

I would venture to guess the committee puts more stock in victories over teams ranked in the 50's and 60's who are fighting for an at-large bid than those in the 90's who aren't even close to the bubble. Lol
My main point with that comment though was that it's very possible that Evansville and UNI could drop out of the top 100 this weekend. Not likely, but possible.

Ah I see. I thought when people referenced a record against RPI 100 teams that it meant record against teams ranked between 1-99 (100?) in the RPI. I didn't realize there is a super secret asterisked category of wins that the committee looks at that we didn't know about.

How silly of me.

[ShockdaWorld]

My question on this, does WSU have an avid fan base that makes us a click machine and the one to pick on? Palm hasn't been the only one recently. Meaning, by saying we are NIT worthy do we drive more clicks than saying some other team is NIT bound?

I'm sure he's seen the vigor with which WSU fans fight back against Goatlube. Lots of attention. Not to mention leaving us out allows one more spot for him to put one of his mediocre P5 favorites.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Nm

[gdb620]

Was just surfing through the official NCAA basketball site. Stats: WSU has moved to #1 in scoring defense and in turnover margin. #4 in scoring margin, #7 in FG% defense. #15 in assist/turnover ratio.

Meanwhile, after winning at Loyola by 22 and the 16-pt. win over IlST, the Shox have slipped from #38 to #42 in the official RPI.

[OTR Shockfan]

not sure how often the ncaa rpi updates but right now WSU is back at #39