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  • #61
    Paul worked hard to ultimately become a POY in the Valley. He then, would be Ron Baker good. That is a lot of ifs but that would be worth a scholarship for a couple of years.

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    • #62
      Someone please save my comment here so I can eat several helpings of crow...but holy cow are some of us off the reservation to leap to the idea Barney could be the kind of contributor to earn a scholy in a couple of years. People if that happens it means 3G is no longer here and so many players have left the program and recruiting reverted back to the 90's. In theory recruiting 4-star players is becoming the norm here. Those 4-star players aren't going to get beat out by Barney...sorry. I love the kid for what he is...a very good walk-on...period. Oh, by the way, I'm excited about Nurger going forward.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by shocka khan View Post
        I don't know about Taco Fall, but if I went to Taco Bell, I'd for sure be having a Belcher Report. :)
        Wonder if Taco Fall has been to the EBDB B&B?

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        • #64
          Originally posted by dwbarcl View Post
          Wonder if Taco Fall has been to the EBDB B&B?
          Congratulations! You have become the first person to post in 45 minutes. Everybody must be scurrying around trying to get the scoop on Willis.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by ShockdaWorld View Post
            I'm in no way saying I believe he will have a similar development/skyrocketing ability, but if I recall correctly, wasn't Frank the Tank a walk-on when he started at Wisky? Or at least a redshirt? I remember hearing something about it, but don't remember the details.
            I'm fairly sure Kaminsky was a recruit, although not a big name to match his eventual success. I think he redshirted, though, and believe (someone correct me if I'm wrong) it was sometime after his arrival and not as a freshman.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by SHOXMVC View Post
              Someone please save my comment here so I can eat several helpings of crow...but holy cow are some of us off the reservation to leap to the idea Barney could be the kind of contributor to earn a scholy in a couple of years. People if that happens it means 3G is no longer here and so many players have left the program and recruiting reverted back to the 90's. In theory recruiting 4-star players is becoming the norm here. Those 4-star players aren't going to get beat out by Barney...sorry. I love the kid for what he is...a very good walk-on...period. Oh, by the way, I'm excited about Nurger going forward.
              We will see if you eat crow or not. I think it may be a possibility although, I wouldn't bet on it. However, I remain hopeful.

              When Paul Miller came, he was rated a 3 star but he wasn't even close to ready to be a contributor on this squad. He wouldn't have made it here now on this squad. However, after four years, Paul was at least a 4 star and when compared to a freshman recruit, he was much more valuable. If he would have been redshirted, he would have given us two years of great play.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by shockmonster View Post
                We will see if you eat crow or not. I think it may be a possibility although, I wouldn't bet on it. However, I remain hopeful.

                When Paul Miller came, he was rated a 3 star but he wasn't even close to ready to be a contributor on this squad. He wouldn't have made it here now on this squad. However, after four years, Paul was at least a 4 star and when compared to a freshman recruit, he was much more valuable. If he would have been redshirted, he would have given us two years of great play.
                OK. I could be wrong about this, but didn't he have a medical red shirt his first year. He also came here as a double sport. He was a pitcher who had a 90 mph fastball in high school. He elected to go basketball full time because he thought he might have gotten too far behind in baseball due to a lack of being able to play.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by SHOXMVC View Post
                  Someone please save my comment here so I can eat several helpings of crow...but holy cow are some of us off the reservation to leap to the idea Barney could be the kind of contributor to earn a scholy in a couple of years. People if that happens it means 3G is no longer here and so many players have left the program and recruiting reverted back to the 90's. In theory recruiting 4-star players is becoming the norm here. Those 4-star players aren't going to get beat out by Barney...sorry. I love the kid for what he is...a very good walk-on...period. Oh, by the way, I'm excited about Nurger going forward.
                  I would never even considering betting on it, but I think being this convinced it will never happen is silly as well.

                  Quite frankly, all that has to happen to prove you wrong is for us to whiff on a couple recruits and end up with one unused scholarship in any given year, at which point it would just default to a walk-on. As we recruit more 4-star players, the chances of whiffing and having an open scholarship at the end of the year increases.
                  Originally posted by BleacherReport
                  Fred VanVleet on Shockers' 3-Pt Shooting Confidence -- ' Honestly, I just tell these guys to let their nuts hang.'

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by ShockTalk View Post
                    OK. I could be wrong about this, but didn't he have a medical red shirt his first year. He also came here as a double sport. He was a pitcher who had a 90 mph fa

                    stball in high school. He elected to go basketball full time because he thought he might have gotten too far behind in baseball due to a lack of being able to play.
                    Think Miller broke his foot, yeah

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Rlh04d View Post
                      I would never even considering betting on it, but I think being this convinced it will never happen is silly as well.

                      Quite frankly, all that has to happen to prove you wrong is for us to whiff on a couple recruits and end up with one unused scholarship in any given year, at which point it would just default to a walk-on. As we recruit more 4-star players, the chances of whiffing and having an open scholarship at the end of the year increases.
                      Just my opinion, which this board has put up with for a few years now. Being on scholly by default is a whole other conversation.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by pinstripers View Post
                        Think Miller broke his foot, yeah
                        Yes memory is fading and I think you are right. None the less, Paul was a great player by that time. He was the POY and All MVC. We'll see how Barney progresses. He comes from a great family of Shocker fans.

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                        • #72
                          All I know is that there aren't alot of 6'9 guys running around. Who knows if Barney gains about 20 to 25 pounds of muscle and continues to work hard he may be a contributer by his junior yr. He seems to have good hands and has basketball skills. You never know when someone like him may be needed due to injuries and maybe missing out on some big time 6'10 recruit. But its still nice to have him willing to walk on and work hard to make the team a better team by playing on the scout team. I think were all in agreement that Nurger could be a stud by the time he's a junior.

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