Shockers are the 6th best offense

[shockmonster]

Going Triangle and 2 on UNC in 2012 was not the sign of a "mediocre" in-game coach. His end-of-game "chop" play, which is run in variations by college coaches across the country, is not the sign of a "mediocre" in-game coach.

I'm sure, like Marshall, he gets the best players he can get, sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't. He took a team that started Connor Teahan to the NC game for crying out loud.

You say BS is a great coach. I don't think he's mediocre but he's not Top 10 either. You obviously know more about KU than I do. If you think he's Top 10, then we will just have to disagree.

[ShockerFever]

Going Triangle and 2 on UNC in 2012 was not the sign of a "mediocre" in-game coach. His end-of-game "chop" play, which is run in variations by college coaches across the country, is not the sign of a "mediocre" in-game coach.

I'm sure, like Marshall, he gets the best players he can get, sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't. He took a team that started Connor Teahan to the NC game for crying out loud.

You remember a defensive set that was implemented by KU in a game nearly 4 years ago? And then you remember the name of an obscure KU player from that same time period?

Nobody other than a diehard KU fan would remember any of that. Their bandwagon Walmart t-shirt fans wouldn't even have known that crap.

Man, slight Bill Self and KU on a WSU message board and they're really starting to come out from behind the woodwork now.

[Kung Wu]

I don't know why you guys are dog piling on @Kel Varnsen:? Oh wait a minute ... I just figured out his name isn't from Seinfeld! I descrambled it and came up with: elven snark!! He is an elf from Lawrence!! OMG OMG OMG!

[TheDover1018]

I vote we let this die. You guys want to talk about Zach Brown? I want to talk about Zach Brown.

[AZ Shocker]

How can a coach be considered a helluva recruiter when you're recruiting to a "franchise" type program????? 5 star players choice on where their "supposed" to go to college are already set up for them (aau, shoe contracts, etc.) since the 5th grade and those players are guided (forced) to choose between Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, Arizona, Bubble U. and one or two more.

Bill Self recruits against maybe 5 or 6 other coaches and programs. The talent pool of incoming freshmen around the country to continually support the above mentioned "franchises" is there every year. Cream of the crop. Easy-capeasee.

It's not like there are only 6 or seven players in the country worthy and available to sign at one of those franchises where competition for a particular recruit is fierce. It may look like it....but there are still enough unbelievably talented players right behind the one you lose to Kentucky. There's enough 5-star talent to fill all the roster spots at those 6 or 7 franchise universities.

I'm not saying he doesn't have to work (a little bit) at recruiting but obviously things fall into his lap simply by coaching at a "franchise".

Geez...I mean can you imagine Gregg Marshall coaching at Bubble U. His first thought after one day on the job would be...."Well...this just got a whole helluva lot easier."

[ShockerEngineer]

I vote we let this die. You guys want to talk about Zach Brown? I want to talk about Zach Brown.

I stood behind him in the check out line at the K-96 and Oliver QuikTrip after a game last season. lol.

[TheDover1018]

I stood behind him in the check out line at the K-96 and Oliver QuikTrip after a game last season. lol.

I once got Chipotle with Toure. We both got no beans. It was special.

[Kaneohe]

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about at this point. You said the reason for KU's losses has been their one and done players.

I said, BS is a tremendous coach, as is Gregg Marshall, and I said my opinion is that the most likely reason KU has been inconsistent is that many of their star players are not veterans, i.e. freshman players tend to be less consistent because of their inexperience.

You disagreed and said that Bill Shelf is a "mediocre in-game" coach and "most people" agree with that.

I think your statement is ludicrous. BS's winning percentage is on par with Mike Krzyzewski's. You might think BS is a mediocre coach, but most people in the country do not. Facts do matter.

[ShockerFever]

I said my opinion is that the most likely reason KU has been inconsistent is that many of their star players are not veterans, i.e. freshman players tend to be less consistent because of their inexperience.

Wahhhhhhhh.

How come Kentucky doesn't have problems choking in the early rounds of the tournament then?

If you're bitching and complaining about your precious 5-star boys leaving early, then stop recruiting them. You want the luxury of all-American burger boys but don't want the side effects that come with them. Boo freaking hoo. Your school and coach should adjust accordingly then.

It's crazy the amount of KU lurkers that are now absorbed with this site. I guess that's what feeling threatened and 78-65 will do to a fanbase.

[ShockerFever]

Oh and Bill Shelf is a not a good in-game coach. This has been proven pretty routinely when games have mattered the most. He got absolutely abused last March in fact.

[1979Shocker]

Would Bill Self be considered a great coach if he was coaching at Bradley, for instance, or Drake?

[_kai_]

This thread....

[ShockerEngineer]

I said, BS is a tremendous coach, as is Gregg Marshall, and I said my opinion is that the most likely reason KU has been inconsistent is that many of their star players are not veterans, i.e. freshman players tend to be less consistent because of their inexperience.

You disagreed and said that Bill Shelf is a "mediocre in-game" coach and "most people" agree with that.

I think your statement is ludicrous. BS's winning percentage is on par with Mike Krzyzewski's. You might think BS is a mediocre coach, but most people in the country do not. Facts do matter.

I'm seriously impressed that although you misspelled Self, you did spell Krzyzewski correctly. ;)

[ShockdaWorld]

I vote we let this die. You guys want to talk about Zach Brown? I want to talk about Zach Brown.

Yes!! In my opinion, Zach Brown has more pro potential than any freshman I've seen at WSU. Yes, Ron and Fred were/are special, and will be GREAT pros, but just based on size, athleticism, and skill set, I was not as impressed with them as freshmen as I was with him. To me, they didn't look the part as well then as they do now. They've grown into it VERY well, but Zach looks the part.

[Kel Varnsen]

Yes!! In my opinion, Zach Brown has more pro potential than any freshman I've seen at WSU. Yes, Ron and Fred were/are special, and will be GREAT pros, but just based on size, athleticism, and skill set, I was not as impressed with them as freshmen as I was with him. To me, they didn't look the part as well then as they do now. They've grown into it VERY well, but Zach looks the part.

Zach is a man. Looking forward to him hopefully having a breakout season this year.