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Originally posted by Jhook89 View PostHaha couldn't this exact logic be applied to us too? Our defense was horrid in our sweet 16 beating by Notre Dame...
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Originally posted by Kel Varnsen View PostKansas was #10 in Kenpom's Adjusted Defensive Efficiency last season. We were #15.
I ask that only because on the website I check (because it's free) WSU was #9 last year while KU was #66.
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/defensive-efficiency/
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Originally posted by pie n eye View PostOut of curiosity what is he adjusting for? I thought the efficiency in defensive efficiency implied that pace was already taken into consideration.
I ask that only because on the website I check (because it's free) WSU was #9 last year while KU was #66.
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-ba...ve-efficiency/Last edited by Kel Varnsen; August 26, 2015, 02:51 PM. Reason: Realized I posted information from behind a paywall...oops!"In God we trust, all others must bring data." - W. Edwards Deming
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Originally posted by Jhook89 View PostHaha how is the 6th best offense in the nation sleeping on us? I'm surprised we are that high. This is basically a ranking on good faith. Besides Fred and Ron we don't have a single other proven offensive threat. Hopefully some people can step up, but none of them are proven.
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Originally posted by Kel Varnsen View PostEfficiency by its nature is adjusted for pace. He adjusts for level of competition and a few other things I'm sure.
EDIT: Also adjusted for home court and more weight is given to recent games.
shows how much he knows.
uni was also defensively better than ku.
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Maybe extra weight is given with regard to the fanbase. KU fans are extremely defensive. Possibly the most defensive fanbase in the country. I hate to say it but they absolutely own us in that category (fanbase defensiveness). That could easily explain why the team's defensive efficiency seems higher than what you would expect based on watching the team.Last edited by Dave Stalwart; August 21, 2015, 10:47 PM.
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Originally posted by Dave Stalwart View PostMaybe extra weight is given with regard to the fanbase. KU fans are extremely defensive. Possibly the most defensive fanbase in the country. I hate to say it but they absolutely own us in that category (fanbase defensiveness). That could easily explain why the team's defensive efficiency seems higher than what you would expect based on watching the team.
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I've said it before, but KU's defensive numbers must be understood in context of their conference. Almost every team in the Big 12 (with the possible exception of Iowa State in recent years), play a lot of one on one basketball since they rely on freshmen and can't depend on instituting more complicated stuff. KU does in fact do a pretty good job of defending against that style offense, in particular applying ball pressure that causes turnovers against players that haven't learned effective ball movement.
The problem, as we have seen time and time again in the NCAAs, is that once KU faces good teams (even ones with less raw talent than the freshmen laden B12 teams) that run offenses that regularly make the extra pass and know how to handle perimeter pressure, their entire gameplan falls apart."Cotton scared me - I left him alone." - B4MSU (Bear Nation poster) in reference to heckling players
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[QUOTE=The Mad Hatter;588091]I've said it before, but KU's defensive numbers must be understood in context of their conference. Almost every team in the Big 12 (with the possible exception of Iowa State in recent years), play a lot of one on one basketball since they rely on freshmen and can't depend on instituting more complicated stuff. KU does in fact do a pretty good job of defending against that style offense, in particular applying ball pressure that causes turnovers against players that haven't learned effective ball movement.
The problem, as we have seen time and time again in the NCAAs, is that once KU faces good teams (even ones with less raw talent than the freshmen laden B12 teams) that run offenses that regularly make the extra pass and know how to handle perimeter pressure, their entire gameplan falls
Schools like KU are the teams the want a shorter and shorter shot clock to cut down on the 'extra'l pass
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@kenpomeroy: Of anyone who has coached since 2002, Self's teams have the best average AdjDE.
But yeah, KU sucks at defense.Last edited by Kel Varnsen; August 26, 2015, 09:03 AM."In God we trust, all others must bring data." - W. Edwards Deming
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Originally posted by Kel Varnsen View Post@kenpomeroy: Of anyone who has coached since 2002, Self's teams have the best average AdjDE.
But yeah, KU sucks at defense."You Don't Have to Play a Perfect Game. Your Best is Good Enough."
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Originally posted by Kel Varnsen View Post@kenpomeroy: Of anyone who has coached since 2002, Self's teams have the best average AdjDE.
But yeah, KU sucks at defense.Deuces Valley.
... No really, deuces.
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