Coach Jans back??

[SHOCKvalue]

Strange how many here would have Marshall judge Jans based on what Jans did one night and not based on a several year relationship.

Shockernet's self-righteousness may reach an all time high with this saga, and that's really saying something.

I've never agreed with an rjl post more, and that's saying something.

[jdshock]

Strange how many here would have Marshall judge Jans based on what Jans did one night and not based on a several year relationship.

I want to clarify one thing about my stance on this issue. I may not speak for everyone that is wary of hiring CJ back when I say this.

It's not about Marshall judging Jans. It's not even about any one of us judging Jans. It is predicting how others would react to the hiring. The media sometimes picks stories like this and really hammers them home. If we hired CJ, and sports websites like Deadspin and ESPN and public interest type news sites like the Huffington Post picked up the story in a negative light it could harm us in a few ways. First, as an individual with a degree that says WSU on it, I only ever what my alma mater reported on in a positive light. If you think the Penn State stuff (I've said it before... I'm not comparing the two. It's just the first sports scandal that came to my mind just now) didn't harm grads, I think you're naive. Second, it can harm our actual basketball team recruiting. If we are in a recruiting battle against anyone else for a particular player, this allows the coach of the other team to say to the kid's mom, "Just so you know, we've got your son's best interests at heart. I am sure WSU is a respectable program, but I know that they have a coach that did X."

Feel free to disagree and think we should hire him tomorrow. I just thinks it's dishonest to say everyone who thinks this would be a potentially bad hire is "self-righteous" and that we want Marshall to "judge" Jans. I hope that you understand it's about something much bigger than whether I think CJ is a bad guy or not.

[ArtVandalay]

At what point in time does a concern become not self-righteous? Since it's obviously self-righteous for me to be concerned about the potential negative ramifications for hiring CJ, I'd love to hear what wouldn't be self-righteous.

Is there ANY accusation that I could rightfully be concerned about? For example, let's say someone is accused of being a KKK member (I mean, accusation is a little deceiving... there would be video of the individual in the robe and hood). I'd prefer the university distance itself from that individual. Would that make me self-righteous? I'm very interested in your feedback.

In my mind, there are just some things that are wrong. I don't think it's self-righteous to say murder is bad. Cheating on your wife is bad. Touching people sexually without consent is bad. Maybe that makes me self-righteous to believe those things.

I'm not sure anyone here is arguing that what Jans did was appropriate. But, I think what people are saying is that this event shouldn't lead to Jans spending the rest of his life in jail. And since he's not in jail, he should probably be able to work. And since he's pretty good at what he does, we should go ahead and take the opportunity to hire him.

There's two sides to every story. This lady is not pressing charges, nor have we heard anything about a lawsuit. How many times has Jans been in that bar? How many times has she been in the bar? Did they know each other? Were they friendly? The person most upset was a family that was not directly involved in the incident, but felt they were doing the right thing by stepping in. I'm not trying to justify his actions, but this incident really just doesn't seem to be something that should hurt Jans professionally more than it already has. He lost his job and took a step backwards from a career growth position. It's over. Move on.

[_kai_]

I'm just enjoying the conversation between Jackie Chiles and Art Vandalay at the moment.

[jdshock]

I'm just enjoying the conversation between Jackie Chiles and Art Vandalay at the moment.

WHO TOLD YOU TO PUT THE BALM ON?!

[_kai_]

WHO TOLD YOU TO PUT THE BALM ON?!

My friend. He's a conductor.

[SB Shock]

Strange how many here would have Marshall judge Jans based on what Jans did one night and not based on a several year relationship.m.

Problem is this was not just one night - it was just one night that he got called out and somebody took some video.

[WuDrWu]

It's outrageous, egregious, preposterous.

[WuDrWu]

My friend. He's a conductor.

The Maestro??!!

[Dan]

[ShockerEngineer]

My friend. He's a conductor.

So a Maestro tells you to put a balm on, and YOU DO IT?!

[shockerfanmas]

It all boils down to this.. it doesn't matter what we think, it matters what HCGM thinks. If HCGM hires him back, then fine. If he doesn't, that's fine too. Everybody deserves a second chance in life, and we will never know all the facts to this case. jdshock is right in that hiring him back could have an effect on future recruiting.

And my god, some people on here are way too defensive. If it makes me self righteous to be concerned that a coach that may get hired at WSU is shown on video sexually harassing a woman, then call me self righteous. If you have a problem with that and decide to resort to calling me self righteous, that's fine. Concerns are valid all the way around. As I said, everybody deserves a second chance. If he screws up again, I'm sure there will still be people that defend him to the grave. So be it.

Quite frankly, it's getting sickening to read and post on these boards and see people getting condemned for having a differing opinion. Unfortunately, it seems to be only a select few that think they are all high and mighty and have the right to tell people what opinion they should have

[SHOCKvalue]

Problem is this was not just one night - it was just one night that he got called out and somebody took some video.

How do you know?

You've never done anything truly out of character and epically embarrassing a single time in your life? I know I have, more than once, and if my life were judged on those highly-isolated situations I'd be fooked. Thankfully, I am not a high-ish profile person, and I didn't have an attention whore near me with a cell phone camera.

It is called forgiveness and grace. Things that are applied in a ridiculously subjective manner in our culture.

If we judged everyone in our society with the same measuring stick that we are using with CJ, then I would make a gander that at least 30% of our employable workforce would be considered unemployable.

[shockerfanmas]

How do you know?

You've never done anything truly out of character and epically embarrassing a single time in your life? I know I have, more than once, and if my life were judged on those highly-isolated situations I'd be fooked. Thankfully, I am not a high-ish profile person, and I didn't have an attention whore near me with a cell phone camera.

It is called forgiveness and grace. Things that are applied in a ridiculously subjective manner in our culture.

If we judged everyone in our society with the same measuring stick that we are using with CJ, then I would make a gander that at least 30% of our employable workforce would be considered unemployable.

It could have been a one night thing, but for most people, speaking from experience, getting drunk is not a one night thing. That's not to say he has/had a problem, but I seriously doubt it was just one time he decided to go to a bar and get wasted.

Forgiveness and grace are all fine and dandy. In this case, it is warranted, but that doesn't mean people don't have a right to be concerned. Let me ask you this, hypothetically, if this were to happen a second, third, even fourth time, would you keep forgiving and defending? I realize it doesn't apply in this situation yet, and hopefully it never will, but where do you draw the line with your forgiveness and grace? You know how the old saying goes, fool me once, shame on you, fool me once, shame on me.

[SHOCKvalue]

It could have been a one night thing, but for most people, speaking from experience, getting drunk is not a one night thing. That's not to say he has/had a problem, but I seriously doubt it was just one time he decided to go to a bar and get wasted.

Forgiveness and grace are all fine and dandy. In this case, it is warranted, but that doesn't mean people don't have a right to be concerned. Let me ask you this, hypothetically, if this were to happen a second, third, even fourth time, would you keep forgiving and defending? I realize it doesn't apply in this situation yet, and hopefully it never will, but where do you draw the line with your forgiveness and grace? You know how the old saying goes, fool me once, shame on you, fool me once, shame on me.

I'm really not sure what to say to you. You're posts in this thread have been one third appeasement, one third anti-CJ, and one third pro-CJ. When you decide which one third you actually want to go with let me know and I'll follow along. I'm not big on trying to nail jello to the wall, if you know what I mean.