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  • #31
    In a great well balanced conference #1 does not beat #2 by 30.....big 12 as the best conference top to bottom......JOKE

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    • #32
      The mighty Big 12 had 5 teams in the dance last year and had a combined record of 3-5 in the tournament. And Kansas had 2 of those wins.
      I invented the cross-over dribble in the early 70's

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Tyrone Shoelace View Post
        The mighty Big 12 had 5 teams in the dance last year and had a combined record of 3-5 in the tournament. And Kansas had 2 of those wins.
        Second worst to only the MWC at 2-5.
        "Hank Iba decided he wouldn't play my team anymore. He told me that if he tried to get his team ready to play me, it would upset his team the rest of the season." Gene Johnson, WU Basketball coach, 1928-1933.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Tyrone Shoelace View Post
          The mighty Big 12 had 5 teams in the dance last year and had a combined record of 3-5 in the tournament. And Kansas had 2 of those wins.
          In these 8 games, the Big 12 was 2-3 as the favored seed and 1-2 as the underdog seed.
          "I not sure that I've ever been around a more competitive player or young man than Fred VanVleet. I like to win more than 99.9% of the people in this world, but he may top me." -- Gregg Marshall 12/23/13 :peaceful:
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          Remember when Nancy Pelosi said about Obamacare:
          "We have to pass it, to find out what's in it".

          A physician called into a radio show and said:
          "That's the definition of a stool sample."

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          • #35
            Originally posted by ripemupshocks View Post
            Second worst to only the MWC at 2-5.
            MVC was 5-2.
            I invented the cross-over dribble in the early 70's

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Tyrone Shoelace View Post
              MVC was 5-2.
              2-0 as favored seed
              3-2 as underdog
              "I not sure that I've ever been around a more competitive player or young man than Fred VanVleet. I like to win more than 99.9% of the people in this world, but he may top me." -- Gregg Marshall 12/23/13 :peaceful:
              ---------------------------------------
              Remember when Nancy Pelosi said about Obamacare:
              "We have to pass it, to find out what's in it".

              A physician called into a radio show and said:
              "That's the definition of a stool sample."

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Rosewood View Post
                Just because a conference is not balanced doesn't mean it can't be a good/tough conference.
                RPI is unbiased. RPI doesn't care about names. RPI is a great metric.
                It's an okay metric, but like someone else said, it can easily be manipulated.

                Rankings like LMRC, KenPom, etc. have been proven time and time again to have greater predictive capabilities than RPI, and are a better measure of the best teams in the country.

                RPI is a better measure of resume strength than of team strength.
                Originally posted by BleacherReport
                Fred VanVleet on Shockers' 3-Pt Shooting Confidence -- ' Honestly, I just tell these guys to let their nuts hang.'

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                • #38
                  A team like say clemson in the acc, loses perinally to duke unc syracuse pitt whoever else is good in the acc.... That boosts their rpi, but it does not make them a good team. Then they get in to the tournament cause of a bloated RPI because theyve lost to good teams and beat crap ones (who also lost to those good teams).... thus bloating the RPI more, then in the tourney we find out that they actually kinda suck.

                  This is exactly whats happening in the big 12. I don't think a great team exists in it this year. The best team in the conference has 7 loses. I dont care who theyve lost too. 7 loses is 7 loses. Great teams dont lose 7 loses. but because all these teams have bloated RPIs because they play a tough schedule (doesnt matter if they win or not) they just keep pushing each others RPI higher and Higher.... The big 12 is actually full of mediocre teams with high rpis because they lose to other teams with higher rpis and its a cycle from there.

                  The fact that a team with 7 loses is going to get a 2 seed is beyond me, Absolutely beyond me. And then theyll say but they beat texas, and then ill say but Texas lost to byu... and on and on.... RPI has flaws.
                  "Coach Marshall,We will be at Creighton at least 15 hours in advance!"
                  CGM--->"Hell yea, and we'll beat their ass."

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                  • #39
                    You can be a mediocre team & make the NCAA tournament because they always get 6 teams in

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by RipEmUpShox View Post
                      A team like say clemson in the acc, loses perinally to duke unc syracuse pitt whoever else is good in the acc.... That boosts their rpi, but it does not make them a good team. Then they get in to the tournament cause of a bloated RPI because theyve lost to good teams and beat crap ones (who also lost to those good teams).... thus bloating the RPI more, then in the tourney we find out that they actually kinda suck.

                      This is exactly whats happening in the big 12. I don't think a great team exists in it this year. The best team in the conference has 7 loses. I dont care who theyve lost too. 7 loses is 7 loses. Great teams dont lose 7 loses. but because all these teams have bloated RPIs because they play a tough schedule (doesnt matter if they win or not) they just keep pushing each others RPI higher and Higher.... The big 12 is actually full of mediocre teams with high rpis because they lose to other teams with higher rpis and its a cycle from there.

                      The fact that a team with 7 loses is going to get a 2 seed is beyond me, Absolutely beyond me. And then theyll say but they beat texas, and then ill say but Texas lost to byu... and on and on.... RPI has flaws.
                      Kansas only has six losses. A seventh and they plummet in the seedings. Six losses isn't all that bad, though. It's not a number one seed good, but it ain't all bad.
                      There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by RipEmUpShox View Post
                        A team like say clemson in the acc, loses perinally to duke unc syracuse pitt whoever else is good in the acc.... That boosts their rpi, but it does not make them a good team. Then they get in to the tournament cause of a bloated RPI because theyve lost to good teams and beat crap ones (who also lost to those good teams).... thus bloating the RPI more, then in the tourney we find out that they actually kinda suck.

                        This is exactly whats happening in the big 12. I don't think a great team exists in it this year. The best team in the conference has 7 loses. I dont care who theyve lost too. 7 loses is 7 loses. Great teams dont lose 7 loses. but because all these teams have bloated RPIs because they play a tough schedule (doesnt matter if they win or not) they just keep pushing each others RPI higher and Higher.... The big 12 is actually full of mediocre teams with high rpis because they lose to other teams with higher rpis and its a cycle from there.

                        The fact that a team with 7 loses is going to get a 2 seed is beyond me, Absolutely beyond me. And then theyll say but they beat texas, and then ill say but Texas lost to byu... and on and on.... RPI has flaws.
                        Great teams don't have 7 losses? So what is the cutoff, 6, 5, 4? Keep in mind WSU had 8 losses going into the tourney last year and made it to the final four, so apparently not a great team by your logic. Your logic is flawed.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Flip1381 View Post
                          Great teams don't have 7 losses? So what is the cutoff, 6, 5, 4? Keep in mind WSU had 8 losses going into the tourney last year and made it to the final four, so apparently not a great team by your logic. Your logic is flawed.
                          Teams with 7-8 losses should definitely be considered to be 6-8 seeds in the Dance. Great teams should not have 6 losses. Good teams can do great things in the tournament, which is what WSU did last year, a good team doing great things. This year we deserve to be considered great at this particular point in time.
                          "I not sure that I've ever been around a more competitive player or young man than Fred VanVleet. I like to win more than 99.9% of the people in this world, but he may top me." -- Gregg Marshall 12/23/13 :peaceful:
                          ---------------------------------------
                          Remember when Nancy Pelosi said about Obamacare:
                          "We have to pass it, to find out what's in it".

                          A physician called into a radio show and said:
                          "That's the definition of a stool sample."

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Flip1381 View Post
                            Great teams don't have 7 losses? So what is the cutoff, 6, 5, 4? Keep in mind WSU had 8 losses going into the tourney last year and made it to the final four, so apparently not a great team by your logic. Your logic is flawed.
                            * No Ron Baker in the regular season.
                            "When life hands you lemons, make lemonade." Better have some sugar and water too, or else your lemonade will suck!

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by ShockerPrez View Post
                              * No Ron Baker in the regular season.
                              *Losses are losses. Everyone can come up with reasons for their losses, as legitimate as the Baker reason is, reasons for losses do not make them wins.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Flip1381 View Post
                                *Losses are losses. Everyone can come up with reasons for their losses, as legitimate as the Baker reason is, reasons for losses do not make them wins.
                                I explained to you why WSU did great things in the tourney and lost games.
                                "When life hands you lemons, make lemonade." Better have some sugar and water too, or else your lemonade will suck!

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