WSU versus William and Mary predictions and pregame discussions.

[The Mad Hatter]

Sounds like something Marshall would say...if he felt that to be a true statement.

I'm setting aside the question of whether it is ever wise to make such a statement. The larger issue is that, while there were clearly bad calls against both teams, it was pretty obvious that if you had a complaint about the officiating it would be about the new rules.

The problem for them is that if their coach really thinks that his guys being in foul trouble was about WSU getting special calls instead of recognizing that this is how basketball is going to be called now, it seems less likely that they will do a good job adjusting that foul trouble could be a continuing problem for them.

[ShockerPrez]

Wow. W/M coach just said on postgame that (Paraphrase), "It's clear why WSU wins so much here is because they get all the whistles. They took our best players off the floor."

come back during Valley play and re-evaluate that statement, douche.

Your slow, unathletic players were in foul trouble because they couldnt move.

Ill give you the charge call that Baker got. It was brutal. Other than that.... you took 4 less free throws and missed half of them.

[CBB_Fan]

A couple things about that idiotic W/M coach's statement:

1. It is true that Marshall has been known to make similar types of behavior, but that doesn't excuse it. Completely different when you complain reffing in a one possession game and when you complain about reffing in a 17 point loss.
2. He's bad at math. We shot 26 FTs, they shot 22. Let's say that got the exact same number of FTs, and made ALL of them instead of missing 11. They still lose by 2.
3. Maybe his team had foul trouble on their important players. That is part of the game; when we get fouls on our players we send new players in. Our depth was good enough to that and their depth was not.
4. Calls don't make your team shoot worse inside and outside the arc or at the free throw line. Fouls don't make you get less offensive and defensive rebounds. Fouls don't make you get less steals or blocks or more TOs. Their team did all that by themselves.

[shockmonster]

I thought that tonight, it was very physical. Lots of hand checking. Foul calling was very inconsistent.

[1972Shocker]

Speaking of inconsistent, that seems to be where the Shocks are right now. Somewhat inconsistent.

Kadeem, in particular, seems to go cold one half and hot the next.

Cleanthony had a big flourish at the end of the 1st half (for which I was very thankful that we were down by only 1) but didn't do much offensively in the 2nd half.

Ron had a very good 1st half, but didn't do a lot in the 2nd half.

Darius needs to understand that just because he has the ball he doesn't have to force up a shot.

I thought Nick had one of his better games as a Shocker.

Tekele searching for his shooting touch. Hopefully, it won't take him half the season to find it like last year.

Even Fred seemed a little out of sync tonight.

I wonder if that midnight game and short turn-around contributed to the somewhat Jekyll and Hyde performance.

Bottom line is it's nice to win by 17 when you played poorly for a half and shot poorly for most of the game.

[ShockerFever]

Wow. W/M coach just said on postgame that (Paraphrase), "It's clear why WSU wins so much here is because they get all the whistles. They took our best players off the floor."

What a douchenozzle. I hope they go 1-29.

[ShockTalk]

Wow. W/M coach just said on postgame that (Paraphrase), "It's clear why WSU wins so much here is because they get all the whistles. They took our best players off the floor."

I'll, too, call bulls*t on him. From the time W&M lead 37-31 in the first half, they had 15 fouls, WSU had 12. Not much advantage at all. Try this on for size as the difference: In that same time period WSU had only 4 TOs, Bill & Mimi had 12 TOs.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

Hope the W&M coach realizes those were CAA refs. Idiot.

[ShockTalk]

Wow. W/M coach just said on postgame that (Paraphrase), "It's clear why WSU wins so much here is because they get all the whistles. They took our best players off the floor."

I'll, too, call bulls*t on him. From the time W&M lead 37-31 in the first half, they had 15 fouls, WSU had 12. Not much advantage at all. Try this on for size as the difference: In that same time period WSU had only 4 TOs, Bill & Mimi had 12 TOs.

OK. The more I thought about this, the more PO'd I got. I hate whiney coaches.

Besides W&M having 8 more TOs from the time they led 37-31:

From the FT line, WSU shot 12-17, W&M 6-16. That's only 1 more FT for WSU, but we converted 6 more.

From the 3, WSU made 4-10, W&M made 1-8.

Offensive rebounds, WSU had 4, W&M 1.

Total rebounds, WSU had 22, W&M 16.

Those additional TOs by W&M and WSU's additional rebounds allowed WSU 9 more FG shots than W&M of which we converted 7 more buckets.

W&M's "top" 4 players' minutes played vs average mpg: Thornton 37/37, Tarpey 29/30, Prewitt 28/27, and Rusthoven 24/26. That's 118 played against WSU, average mpg of 120. Yup, those refs really kept their best players off the floor. Whiney b*tch!!

[WSUwatcher]

Sounds like something Marshall would say...if he felt that to be a true statement.

You'll have to point to some evidence for that, wufan. Marshall might gripe about calls, but the likelihood of him saying what was quoted (admittedly in paraphrase) is about equal to the likelihood that Oklahoma Baptist could have beaten WSU.

And thanks for your analysis, ShockTalk. What a whiny clown -- I doubt that he'll want to come back, but if not, good riddance.

[jocoshock]

We roll these fools by 30 plus. W&M lost to Hampton? Only beat Liberty by 8? In our house, this game is where we get out by 14 in the first half and expand the margin in the second. If they hang within 20, I'm throwing my laptop out the freakin' window!

Shockernet calling KC.... Shockernet calling KC.... come in KC...

[WuShock16]

Hope the W&M coach realizes those were CAA refs. Idiot.

The coach is an idiot if he thinks we always get calls in our building, but I don't think these were CAA refs. Toby Martinez is a local guy...from Kansas, I think. The other two do games in midwest/west conference like Conference USA, Southland, and the like. Referees aren't tied specifically to certain conferences. They do a lot of games in certain conferences based on where they live, but they aren't specific to one. Our good buddy, John Higgins, for example, does games in the Valley, Big 12, Big 10...all over the place.

[Cdizzle]

OK. The more I thought about this, the more PO'd I got. I hate whiney coaches.

Besides W&M having 8 more TOs from the time they led 37-31:

From the FT line, WSU shot 12-17, W&M 6-16. That's only 1 more FT for WSU, but we converted 6 more.

From the 3, WSU made 4-10, W&M made 1-8.

Offensive rebounds, WSU had 4, W&M 1.

Total rebounds, WSU had 22, W&M 16.

Those additional TOs by W&M and WSU's additional rebounds allowed WSU 9 more FG shots than W&M of which we converted 7 more buckets.

W&M's "top" 4 players' minutes played vs average mpg: Thornton 37/37, Tarpey 29/30, Prewitt 28/27, and Rusthoven 24/26. That's 118 played against WSU, average mpg of 120. Yup, those refs really kept their best players off the floor. Whiney b*tch!!

William & Mary called a Timeout with 11:38 remaining, after the Lufile steal and jam. The spread was 13, and the Shox were close to running away with the game. Their coach spent the first 30 seconds of the timeout chewing out the refs. The refs then huddled at half court and talked for the remainder of the timeout.

Between 11:38 and 6:13 in the game, W&M had 10 possessions. 2 resulted in Turnovers. 8 Defensive fouls were called against WSU. The refs gave W&M a full 5 and a half minutes to catch WSU, and they gained 1 point.

If you're only going to gain 1 point when the game is being called that way, maybe you shouldn't complain about the officiating and should just be glad to get out without getting boat-raced.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

The coach is an idiot if he thinks we always get calls in our building, but I don't think these were CAA refs. Toby Martinez is a local guy...from Kansas, I think. The other two do games in midwest/west conference like Conference USA, Southland, and the like. Referees aren't tied specifically to certain conferences. They do a lot of games in certain conferences based on where they live, but they aren't specific to one. Our good buddy, John Higgins, for example, does games in the Valley, Big 12, Big 10...all over the place.

Ahhh. I heard Mike on the pregame talking about how they were CAA refs and it was probably written into our contract with W&M to use their refs. Nevermind.

[The Mad Hatter]

The saddest thing is that whining about officiating is what you expect from the fanbase, while you can count on the coach to focus on what his own team can do better. In this case, if you look at the William & Mary board, the fans' post game analysis has barely referenced officiating and focused on turnovers, rebounding, foul shooting, lack of depth, and WSU being a very good team as the reasons they lost the game.

I really do hope that W&M can get it together and win a lot for the sake of our RPI (and I think they have the talent to do it), but if their fanbase is better at diagnosing their loses than their coach is, it isn't a good sign.