2013-2014 Bracketology

[McShocker]

Please know the rules before you comment:

“It is important we avoid the top teams from leagues receiving multiple bids to the tournament from playing one another when they are seeded in the first quadrant,” said Wellman in the NCAA release. “But after those first four lines are seeded, we want to remain as true to the seed lines as possible.”

You should probably understand your own quote before posting. Nothing about that means there can't be two #1 seeds from the same conference. That happens pretty regularly. What it does mean is that they try not to have the teams play AGAINST other teams from their conference in the early rounds of the tournament, especially teams seeded 1-4.

[Steeleshocker]

First, I project Kansas to win the Big 12. They benefit from Wisconsin being a #1 seed. Wisconsin had wins versus #15 Florida and Marquette. Road wins versus St. Louis and Virginia. They deserve the #1 seed out of the Big 10. Because Ohio State can't be a #1 seed since Wisconsin took it, then Kansas moves up. Big 12 is one of the strongest conferences this year in the country. Duke wins the ACC. I'll let Pitino prove me wrong that Louisville won't win the AAC.

Thanks for looking.

Ok, if you are projecting to the end of the season I can see where some of your reasoning comes in. I don't like that, as projecting that far into the future makes a lot of assumptions regarding team development. But I can understand it.

If Kansas somehow wins the big 12 this year they will be fully deserving of a one seed. That league is murder this year. But for them to do that we are going to have to see them perform consistently at a level we have not yet seen, and making that protection is a huge assumption, imo.

However, there are some inconsistencies with that protection. For example, Louisville hasn't beaten a good team yet this year and now are without key contributor Behanan. How can you project then to be a 3 seed?

Also, Oklahoma State is now without center Cobbins for the season, while he was not a big scorer, that makes OSU extremely thin up front. They will have a lot of trouble with big string teams like Texas. Hell, Kansas State's Gibson will probably have a lot of success. I know they have one of the top guard tandems in the nation, but projecting that sort of success is a bit of a gamble. Now, as of today they fully deserve a 3 seed, but I would expect them to fall a bit by season's end.

Also, how do you project WSU to end the season. If they have 2 or fewer losses, I can't see them being worse than a 3 seed. And if you count on teams like Kansas improving,I would also expect WSU to improve as well (as is documented extensively on this board).

As you can see from my comments, I just don't think projecting is a very fair assessment, and takes way too many assumptions. And it seems some teams you project to get better, while other teams should be worse off based on injuries and dismissals, but are treated based on current success.

[EBracket]

You should probably understand your own quote before posting. Nothing about that means there can't be two #1 seeds from the same conference. That happens pretty regularly. What it does mean is that they try not to have the teams play AGAINST other teams from their conference in the early rounds of the tournament, especially teams seeded 1-4.

"Also, the rule that places the top three teams from the same conference in different regionals will now only apply to teams seeded in the top four spots in a region. The new rule says that the top four teams from a conference will be in different regions as long as they are in the top four lines of the bracket. After that, the separation rule no longer applies."

[EBracket]

Good questions. Louisville will win the AAC. They will have the RPI to get a #3 seed. Also, Oklahoma St. is going to miss Cobbins but why assume they will fall apart? They deserve a high seed as of now and I'll let them ride it out until proven otherwise.

Wichita State's own demise is their conference. They will get a #4 seed mainly because outside of their OOC play, their conference play will hurt their RPI.

Finally K State won't make the tournament as of now. RPI is too low. Losses to Northern Colorado and Charlotte are hurting them.

[Aargh]

I think the Shox are playing for a seed anywhere from 1 - 3. Dropping to a 4 seed could happen if there's a collapse or an injury to a key player.

A 1 seed is unexpected. The Shox don't control their own destiny at that level. It would require teams ranked above them to have some stumbles.

I'm having a bit of a problem realizing that a 1 seed is even in the discussion for the Shox. This is a team without Carr, Levingston, or McDaniel - and yet this team looks to have a seed similar to what those teams would have had if they had the opportunity.

[Steeleshocker]

"Also, the rule that places the top three teams from the same conference in different regionals will now only apply to teams seeded in the top four spots in a region. The new rule says that the top four teams from a conference will be in different regions as long as they are in the top four lines of the bracket. After that, the separation rule no longer applies."

I think you misunderstand the comment. If two teams from the same conference are one seeds on the s-curve, then they will automatically be in different regions. Therefore, two teams from the same conference can be a one.

Are we agreed on that?

Also would still like to hear how many losses you expect WSU to end the season with.

With Iowa State, Baylor, Kansas, and Oklahoma State all at the top, something has to give. One of these teams is going to fall out of the protected seeds, at a minimum. No, Oklahoma State will not fall apart, but if they finish behind Kansas and Iowa State in the standings, then they will not be a 3 seed (just a hypothetical). That's one too many teams from the big 12 with a protected seed, imo.

[EBracket]

I think you misunderstand the comment. If two teams from the same conference are one seeds on the s-curve, then they will automatically be in different regions. Therefore, two teams from the same conference can be a one.

Are we agreed on that?

Also would still like to hear how many losses you expect WSU to end the season with.

With Iowa State, Baylor, Kansas, and Oklahoma State all at the top, something has to give. One of these teams is going to fall out of the protected seeds, at a minimum. No, Oklahoma State will not fall apart, but if they finish behind Kansas and Iowa State in the standings, then they will not be a 3 seed (just a hypothetical). That's one too many teams from the big 12 with a protected seed, imo.

No we are not agreed on that.

"Also, the rule that places the top three teams from the same conference in different regionals will now only apply to teams seeded in the top four spots in a region.

Teams from the same conference CANNOT be seeded in the top four spots. The rest of the seeds will be true seeds regardless of conference membership.

Wichita St. will have 3 losses and will enter the tourney as a #4 seed.

[The Mad Hatter]

No we are not agreed on that.

"Also, the rule that places the top three teams from the same conference in different regionals will now only apply to teams seeded in the top four spots in a region.

Teams from the same conference CANNOT be seeded in the top four spots. The rest of the seeds will be true seeds regardless of conference membership.

Wichita St. will have 3 losses and will enter the tourney as a #4 seed.

You are really killing your credibility with your inability to understand the NCAA rules you are quoting. Let me break it down for you:

1. No teams that is are 1, 2, 3, or 4 seeds from the same conference will be placed in the same regional (to prevent them playing each other until as late as possible).

2. By definition, no 1 seed is in the same region as any other 1 seed.

3. Therefore, giving a conference multiple 1 seeds in no way conflicts with the rule you are quoting. In fact, it supports it. Two one seeds cannot, by definition, be put in the same region. This rule prevents a single conference from being given multiple top 4 seeds in the same region (say the #1 and #3 seed in the Midwest region). You do grasp the phrase "top four spots in a region," right? It isn't referring to the 4 number 1 seeds, but to the 1-4 seeds in each region.

[EBracket]

Alright, reread the rules and you're right, two teams from the same conference can be a #1 seed. I'm sorry for missing that. However, I would still give Ohio St. a #2 seed. Their OOC resume isn't as strong as the top 4 seeds.

[Play Angry]

This is kinda pathetic.

[ShockerFever]

Guy comes on here with a bracket and doesn't even know some of its most basic, common sense, principles.

Sounds like another random bleacher report type thing to me.

Moving on..

[wufan]

Alright, reread the rules and you're right, two teams from the same conference can be a #1 seed. I'm sorry for missing that. However, I would still give Ohio St. a #2 seed. Their OOC resume isn't as strong as the top 4 seeds.

I would move on from here. You use the rules to state why you would do something questionable, and when you find that they are incorrect you say that it doesn't matter. You have no credibility.

[SirShoxAlot]

I would move on from here. You use the rules to state why you would do something questionable, and when you find that they are incorrect you say that it doesn't matter. You have no credibility.

Doesn't want to go back and change it. Lazy "journalism."

[SirShoxAlot]

Blogging, rather.

[ABC]

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