Titans vs. Shockers - Official BracketBusters Game Thread

[Shockeriffic]

Most of you are thinking about it backwards. Less fouls actually means fewer points. When Tim Donaghy was fixing NBA games, he'd try to get teams to the over on points by calling early fouls so that both teams would get to the bonus sooner. One of the reasons scoring is down in college basketball is because it is more physical than the NBA.

[shoxlax]

It's hard to foul people when you can't catch them.

The MVC is full of people that are slow and can be caught. It is also full of floppers, grabbers and holders. If you aren't slow, they will make you slow.

That is why I encourage us to trap and press more. It's hard to stop superior athleticism and superior coaching.

[SubGod22]

Question, does each league have their own "points of emphasis" thereby creating a style of reffing that may be somewhat different than in another league? In other words, maybe it's not be so much the refs, but the type of officiating a league wants to have. Don't blame the refs, blame the league for style?

If it's anything like HS, yes. You will not see games in the City League or AVCTL called like those in the CPL or SCBL. The commish and schools want games called a certain way.

[ShockerFever]

I don't care where the officials came from. (Obviously they weren't ones picked by the Valley). I liked the way they let the game flow. It was a nice change of pace for sure.

[Rosewood]

ShockerRef, do you use some voice recognition software to post on here? I mean, since you are blind and all... being a ref. A blind ref.

[ShockerGorilla]

The depth of ignorance in this post is actually immeasurable.

The depth of arrogance in this post is actually immeasurable.

I think I struck a nerve with someone.

[proshox]

I thought the game was officiated without any of the refs having whistles. Whatever caused the game to be so free flowing should happen some more… I have to believe the officials had a different mindset.

[Ricardo del Rio]

I appreciate SR's post, I really do--they bring an angle no one else has. However, the smugness in many of his posts is a bitter pill. Even when I have no side in the disagreement I still find it quite irritating. It starts with the sign off meant to imply he is speaking ex cathedra to fallible mortals. I'm assuming the tone amounts to an occupational hazard.

I try to be constructive and not engage in personal attacks, so sorry that this post verges on it. I guess I just want to call it out because SR could make the same points much more constructively and people would give him a lot more respect.

Don't be too hard on Shocker Ref for his tongue in cheek closing, which is "That is all."

It is merely a play on General George S. Patton, Jr.'s closing remark in a famous speech that he gave to the Third Army on June 5, 1944. The speech was given immediately, before the Normandy invasion.

Also, it is a closing, which is typical of a commander, when he is closing out his directives or remarks to his troops. (This comment is true for old Army. I do not have any idea about what is true about our Army of today.)

If anyone is interested in the speech, go here. http://old.nationalreview.com/weeken...on111001.shtml

[ShockRef]

RDR,

Don't be too hard on Shocker Ref for his tongue in cheek closing, which is "That is all."

It is merely a play on General George S. Patton, Jr.'s closing remark in a famous speech that he gave to the Third Army on June 5, 1944. The speech was given immediately, before the Normandy invasion.

Also, it is a closing, which is typical of a commander, when he is closing out his directives or remarks to his troops. (This comment is true for old Army. I do not have any idea about what is true about our Army of today.)

If anyone is interested in the speech, go here. http://old.nationalreview.com/weeken...on111001.shtml

Nicely done.

I wondered who, if any, would ever catch on.

That is all.

[im4wsu]

Points of emphasis play a part to be sure. And it wouldn't surprise me if the Valley prefers to have things played a little slower. Lets face it, many of the teams in the conference aren't the most athletically gifted and aren't capable of playing fast. Being that it's a grind it out style, you're going to have more fouls called and it may be because the Valley office wants it that way, but at the same time, the style of the two teams on the court can often dictate how the game will be called as well.

The MVC has some top notch officials no matter what the fans think. Are there some that aren't as good? Sure. Do some have bad nights? Absolutely. But if we had "Valley refs" in the game against Detroit, I think it would have been called in a similar way.

From StatSheet, for refs that have worker 5 or more MVC games, they have called 34.16 fouls per game in MVC contests and 35.64 fpg in non-MVC contests they have worked. In 2011-2012, the respective averages are 35.73 for conference, 36.57 for non-conference games.

In 2013, the average fpg called in all non-MVC games by any referees (wherther they have worked 5 MVC games or not) is 35.22 fpg.

[ABC]

Nicely done.

I wondered who, if any, would ever catch on.

That is all.

Yea, but Patton didn't come across so douchey when he did it.

[molly jabali]

Very entertaining thread! Learned MANY things!

[C0|dB|00ded]

Let's give "General Patton" (aka Napoleon "syndrome" Bonaparte) a break here, his career in DII leaves him starved for recognition. He comes to Shockernet to fill a void under the guise of education. Let's do our part and placate the journeyman so he doesn't go back to his league and extract the required ego-boost from the young women he referee's.


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[ShockRef]

We have a nominee...

Yea, but Patton didn't come across so douchey when he did it.

For the J. O. of the day.

[ShockerFever]

This thread has actually gotten better as it has gone on. That's a bit unusual. But that means it has a good chance of longevity. Keep it up!