Titans vs. Shockers - Official BracketBusters Game Thread

[GOSHOX1]

There was a very physical scrum in the first half that went uncalled from a foul stand point. That would have never happened with Valley refs, and had nothing to do with style IMO.

I watched the replay just for this sequence and Fred totally took the guy out under the basket and would have been called for a foul in mvc play for sure. It was really nice to have the game flow that way for once!

[GoShockers89]

I don't think I understand why you started with smug, dickish, unhelpful responses like these...

The depth of ignorance in this post is actually immeasurable.

...it would take one of my posts to bring you out from under your rock. Either that or you finally got some PC time at the Reno jailhouse.


Look Jethro, I provide a free public service on SN to TRY and I emphasize TRY, to educate those in need of an understanding into the world of officiating.

Based on the content of most posts, I am not doing a very good job.

But I keep trying, and once again, have never charged a dime to SN for my services.


Besides, who the hell are you to diss Lonesome Dave and the boys?

Just because they never passed along any back stage concert passes to you back in '78 is no reason to rip on them.


That is all.

...instead of just immediately posting this:

Have you seen any Valley team that played the type of style and tempo as Detroit?

How about the lack of defense?
When was the last time you saw uncontested 50' passes by a Valley PG zip in under the basket for bunnies?
When was the last time you saw a Valley team constantly get beat back down the floor for lay ups??


Remember this - ALL NCAA officials, regardless of leagues they work are essentially working for one guy - John Adams.
He is numero uno and The Guy when it comes to Tournament selections.

That gents, is what every official at this level aspires to work.

You can be assured he grades every eligible official, working in every league, when it comes time to hand out the coveted assignments.
I can also assure you he doesn't have a different grading system when it comes to various officials.


Trust SR

Thank you so much for not charging a dime for your internet attention whoring.

That is all.

[pinstripers]

I loved the way it was called, but a lot of that goes to the style the other team played as well.

basically, it wasn't called.

[SubGod22]

I don't think I understand why you started with smug, dickish, unhelpful responses like these...

History is why. He's far from an attention whore and is usually asked for his opinion when it comes to all things officiating.

I'm glad he's on here to help shine the light on certain things as he has a far greater understanding of officiating than any of us other posters on here. Sadly, he gets attacked by some for pointing out the obvious just because they disagree and and can't see things objectively when it comes to officials and the Shockers.

This board is much better because of guys like SR.

[GoShockers89]

History is why. He's far from an attention whore and is usually asked for his opinion when it comes to all things officiating.

I'm glad he's on here to help shine the light on certain things as he has a far greater understanding of officiating than any of us other posters on here. Sadly, he gets attacked by some for pointing out the obvious just because they disagree and and can't see things objectively when it comes to officials and the Shockers.

This board is much better because of guys like SR.

I enjoyed him a lot when he was new to the board. Now almost all of his posts are arrogant putdowns or white-knighting for officials.

I am guessing it is his general tone and demeanor over the last 2 years that have turned many people off to him. On the rare occasion that he is informative without an overdose of snark, then it is fine. 6-7 years ago there was 1 douchey post for every 5 informative ones made by ShockRef. Now, the ratio seems to have flipped.

We'll probably agree to disagree though.

[BOBB]

@ShockRef: Yiu assume we take your oficiating bona fides for granted. Maybe some do. I don't. You are perceived to be an expert because you claim to be so. Maybe you are, maybe you aren't. If so,beliitling folks to improve their sense of self worth is not what the Alpha experts do, they try and bring along the pack.

Regarding your more constructive post, it holds water for Detroit, but not WSU. There was hustle D being played with a number of turnovers. Is it your theory that WSU also didn't play defense?

[BOBB]

Nm

[ShockTalk]

Have you seen any Valley team that played the type of style and tempo as Detroit?

How about the lack of defense?
When was the last time you saw uncontested 50' passes by a Valley PG zip in under the basket for bunnies?
When was the last time you saw a Valley team constantly get beat back down the floor for lay ups??


Remember this - ALL NCAA officials, regardless of leagues they work are essentially working for one guy - John Adams.
He is numero uno and The Guy when it comes to Tournament selections.

That gents, is what every official at this level aspires to work.

You can be assured he grades every eligible official, working in every league, when it comes time to hand out the coveted assignments.
I can also assure you he doesn't have a different grading system when it comes to various officials.


Trust SR

History is why. He's far from an attention whore and is usually asked for his opinion when it comes to all things officiating.

I'm glad he's on here to help shine the light on certain things as he has a far greater understanding of officiating than any of us other posters on here. Sadly, he gets attacked by some for pointing out the obvious just because they disagree and and can't see things objectively when it comes to officials and the Shockers.

This board is much better because of guys like SR.

Question, does each league have their own "points of emphasis" thereby creating a style of reffing that may be somewhat different than in another league? In other words, maybe it's not be so much the refs, but the type of officiating a league wants to have. Don't blame the refs, blame the league for style?

[ShockRef]

Lighten up Francis...

I enjoyed him a lot when he was new to the board. Now almost all of his posts are arrogant putdowns or white-knighting for officials.

I am guessing it is his general tone and demeanor over the last 2 years that have turned many people off to him. On the rare occasion that he is informative without an overdose of snark, then it is fine. 6-7 years ago there was 1 douchey post for every 5 informative ones made by ShockRef. Now, the ratio seems to have flipped.

We'll probably agree to disagree though.

If you've been on here for a while you would note BOBB and I have had a kid-like punch back and forth for years now.

He likes to poke fun at my admiration of Graham Hatch.

I like to poke fun at him, well, because he's easy and this is a silly internet board.

BOBB is probably laughing at you for taking it so serious.

I know I am.

That is all.

[MadaboutWu]

I appreciate SR's post, I really do--they bring an angle no one else has. However, the smugness in many of his posts is a bitter pill. Even when I have no side in the disagreement I still find it quite irritating. It starts with the sign off meant to imply he is speaking ex cathedra to fallible mortals. I'm assuming the tone amounts to an occupational hazard.

I try to be constructive and not engage in personal attacks, so sorry that this post verges on it. I guess I just want to call it out because SR could make the same points much more constructively and people would give him a lot more respect.

[pinstripers]

There would have been more fouls called if they had played at the Y using the honor system.

[ShockRef]

And still no apology

@ShockRef: Yiu assume we take your oficiating bona fides for granted. Maybe some do. I don't. You are perceived to be an expert because you claim to be so. Maybe you are, maybe you aren't. If so,beliitling folks to improve their sense of self worth is not what the Alpha experts do, they try and bring along the pack.

Regarding your more constructive post, it holds water for Detroit, but not WSU. There was hustle D being played with a number of turnovers. Is it your theory that WSU also didn't play defense?

...for ripping on Foghat??

Dude, you really are bitter about getting shorted on the backstage passes.

C'mon man, get over it.

[GoShockers89]

If you've been on here for a while you would note BOBB and I have had a kid-like punch back and forth for years now.

He likes to poke fun at my admiration of Graham Hatch.

I like to poke fun at him, well, because he's easy and this is a silly internet board.

BOBB is probably laughing at you for taking it so serious.

I know I am.

That is all.

You are basically Cold minus the humor and continue to prove my post correct.

[BOBB]

@ShockRef: is half right. Don't sweat the back and forth between me and Mrs. Hatch, I am not offended. In seriousness, I do think when posters notice a remarkable change in the pace of the game and the number of fouls typically called that they are smart enough to know that teams play different styles, but that officiating has to play a part. Particularly, when one thing is constant (the Shocks). if there is something we are missing then I am open to a point by explanation, which will go a lot further in increasing his expert reputation than a one-off post about the general ignorance of the posters here. @PlaneShocker: notwithstanding.

[shockmonster]

I agree with those who believe that MVC refs are better than those who ref in the Horizon and other lower conferences. MVC officials are paid better and re the same as Big 12, Big 10, etc. MVC coaches are better and know how to play good defense especially when they know the other teams and coaches tendencies.