Bluejays @ Shockers Game Thread

[Shockeriffic]

One of the things to consider regarding "distracting" the shooter of free throws, the shooter's eyes are focused on the rim, so looking through the backboard, the eyes will see the 20th-to-25th row of the section, not rows 1-10. That is where distracting spinners, rowdiness, surprise movements, etc. should be occurring.

I've done the free throw challenge at halftime once. Players looking at the basket on the student section end have the tunnel to look at and that's it. Nothing the students do will have any sort of visual impact on the shooter.

[im4wsu]

Official scorebook

The shot clock did NOT expire. The timekeeper reset it thinking that Wiggins' shot had touched the rim. If the refs had back up the play further, they would have seen that if 10.1 seconds were left of the play clock, time would have been left on the shot clock. I was able to stop the play and it showed 20.8 on the play clock and 12 on the shot clock. Since CU touched the ball before it went out of bounds, the ball should have been the Shocks with 1+ seconds left. Difference being, if we had thrown the ball toward our basket and the shot clock ran off, they would have gotten the ball under our basket, not at half court. If they had intercepted the pass, they would have had to call TO to get Dougie in the game.

The plat-by-play shows the rebound from the missed Ft by Cu was 0:45. That could be anywhere from 44.5 to 45.4. The clock read 10.1 at the out of bounds, so there could have been 0.0 to 0.6 on the shot clock for WSU. Anyone with a video can easily determine the time left at the two CU free throws, precisely to tenths of a second.

[shoxlax]

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[ShockTalk]

The plat-by-play shows the rebound from the missed Ft by Cu was 0:45. That could be anywhere from 44.5 to 45.4. The clock read 10.1 at the out of bounds, so there could have been 0.0 to 0.6 on the shot clock for WSU. Anyone with a video can easily determine the time left at the two CU free throws, precisely to tenths of a second.

In that case, with your info and mine, there would have been .3 to .6 left on the shot clock and everything else I said would still stand.

[im4wsu]

In that case, with your info and mine, there would have been .3 to .6 left on the shot clock and everything else I said would still stand.

Actually,if the clock read 45.4 , then 35.3 would have elapsed by the time the clock showed 10.1. I just looked at the EsSPN3 replay and the clock read 45.3, so the shot clock would have expired by 0.2 seconds.

[im4wsu]

Upon further review of the ESPN3 video, one could argue that the ball touch out of bounds before 10.1 seconds, perhaps close to 11 seconds. In that case, there may have been a handful of tents of seconds for WSU.

[ShockTalk]

Upon further review of the ESPN3 video, one could argue that the ball touch out of bounds before 10.1 seconds, perhaps close to 11 seconds. In that case, there may have been a handful of tents of seconds for WSU.

Did you look at the clocks during that play? If the timekeeper had not reset the clock, there would have been time left on the shot clock. Fortunately, it doesn't matter.

[im4wsu]

Did you look at the clocks during that play? If the timekeeper had not reset the clock, there would have been time left on the shot clock. Fortunately, it doesn't matter.

I don't understand you. At the free throw, the clock read 45.3. WSU got a rebound and had 35 seconds to take a shot that hits the rim. That time would expire at 10.3 on the game clock. The officials stopped the clock at 10.1, which was o.2 seconds after the 35 second shot clock should have expired.

The only argument that might be made is that the refs should have looked at the replay and determined that the clock perhaps should have been stopped at 10.4 or more remaining. I personally believe there is a good argument for this, but that was not considered at the time. So as it stands, the shot clock did, in fact, expire.

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[ShockTalk]

I don't understand you. At the free throw, the clock read 45.3. WSU got a rebound and had 35 seconds to take a shot that hits the rim. That time would expire at 10.3 on the game clock. The officials stopped the clock at 10.1, which was o.2 seconds after the 35 second shot clock should have expired.

The only argument that might be made is that the refs should have looked at the replay and determined that the clock perhaps should have been stopped at 10.4 or more remaining. I personally believe there is a good argument for this, but that was not considered at the time. So as it stands, the shot clock did, in fact, expire.

Eventhough it doesn't matter, I'll explain again. I don't have/use a program to go frame by frame of a video. Nevertheless, I ran the ESPN3 replay of the Shocks last play and stopped the play a couple of times. On one stop, it showed the play clock at 20.8 and the shot clock at 12. If at the next 1/10 of a second on the play clock, or at 20.7, the shot clock changed to 11 seconds, had the timekeeper not reset the shot clock (which he did, as it showed that on the replay as well), the Shocker's shot clock would have not ran out until 9.7 seconds on the play clock. I didn't look at the clock at the missed FT, but I did during the following play.

[im4wsu]

Eventhough it doesn't matter, I'll explain again. I don't have/use a program to go frame by frame of a video. Nevertheless, I ran the ESPN3 replay of the Shocks last play and stopped the play a couple of times. On one stop, it showed the play clock at 20.8 and the shot clock at 12. If at the next 1/10 of a second on the play clock, or at 20.7, the shot clock changed to 11 seconds, had the timekeeper not reset the shot clock (which he did, as it showed that on the replay as well), the Shocker's shot clock would have not ran out until 9.7 seconds on the play clock. I didn't look at the clock at the missed FT, but I did during the following play.

There are 35 seconds between the time the Ft was rebounded atb45.3 and a clock time of 10.3. So if the ball is declared out of bounds after the clock reaches 10.3, then time expired. Unless it is super lead year and a leap second occurs somewhere within that 35 second period, this is simply FACT. All the perceived comparison and attributions to the clock operator you choose to make, 45.3 minus 35 is ALWAYS 10.3.

[Ricardo del Rio]

The shot clock did NOT expire. The timekeeper reset it thinking that Wiggins' shot had touched the rim. If the refs had back up the play further, they would have seen that if 10.1 seconds were left of the play clock, time would have been left on the shot clock. I was able to stop the play and it showed 20.8 on the play clock and 12 on the shot clock. Since CU touched the ball before it went out of bounds, the ball should have been the Shocks with 1+ seconds left. Difference being, if we had thrown the ball toward our basket and the shot clock ran off, they would have gotten the ball under our basket, not at half court. If they had intercepted the pass, they would have had to call TO to get Dougie in the game.

Tonight I ran that play twice in slo-mo, frame by frame. I was not interested in the time issue. I was interested in the player, who touched the ball last, before the ball went out of bounds. I definitely believe that Demetric was the last to touch the ball.

During the play, Wiggins shot did not even come close to touching the rim. Señora Rio and I thought that Wiggins released the ball with 16 seconds on the shot clock, but we were not sure.

[ShockTalk]

Tonight I ran that play twice in slo-mo, frame by frame. I was not interested in the time issue. I was interested in the player, who touched the ball last, before the ball went out of bounds. I definitely believe that Demetric was the last to touch the ball.

During the play, Wiggins shot did not even come close to touching the rim. Señora Rio and I thought that Wiggins released the ball with 16 seconds on the shot clock, but we were not sure.

That would make the shot clock issue moot. Thanks RDR.

[Aargh]

The students need to do something during throws that no one else does. I've never seen the white pieces of paper before. It's tough to distract a focused player. The only way to do it is with something unique and unexpected. Something totally off the wall and meaningless can work because of the WTF? factor - like :

West section of students: Quarter Pounder
East section of students: With Cheese

Now shoot your free throw.

[im4wsu]

That would make the shot clock issue moot. Thanks RDR.

How does that make the shot clock moot? RDR saying the shot occurred with 16 on the clock, that would mean it took 4.5 to 5.4 seconds for the ball to get to the out of bounds, but we still would have the issue of whether the shot clock expired. Which, factually, it did, or the game clock cannot be trusted to count time accurately.