Poll Watch, 2012-13 Edition

[ShockerFever]

Anyone see the end of the Indiana-Illinois game? Almost reminded me of the WSU-Vandy NIT game in '05. That was a horrible way to lose by Indiana. Anything but a wide open layup you take your chances on. ANYTHING.

By the way, they did it in .9 seconds.

[SubGod22]

Both Tennessee and UNI could end up top 100 and won't be considered bad. And even if not, there have been a lot of upsets and we still look pretty decent. Some of you guys jumped off the cliff without seeing the big picture.

[Rlh04d]

We have 3 bad losses, one okay loss, and one semi good loss. That is it, flat out, and if we lose any 3 out of the next 7 we are going to the NIT unless we win the MVC tourny. I may be so bold as to say if we lose 2 out of the next 7 and drop the MVC tourny in the first or second round then we are going to the NIT, again, doesn't matter who the losses are to.

Only one of our losses is a "bad loss," as in RPI over 150 and a losing record, and that's SIU at RPI 198. Outside of that, we have two losses to borderline top 100 RPI teams and one loss to a top 50 RPI team. Evansville at 137 is the only other loss that can be considered slightly bad right now, but won't be one that should hurt us unless they plummet. SIU is a bad loss, but as long as VCU slips back into the top 50, we still have three marquee wins right now (VCU, Southern Miss, Creighton), with two more opportunities coming up (Creighton and Indiana State), plus St. Louis.

Oh, and AF at #65 still has five games against Top 100 RPI teams, three against top 50 RPI teams, and plenty of chances to become another marquee win for us. Detroit is another opportunity at a top 100 RPI win.

Shockers still control their destiny right now, for everything ... MVC regular season title, St. Louis, and an NCAA berth. We haven't lost anything yet. But they have to turn it around ASAP. MoSt would be the worst loss of the season and probably be the stake in the heart.

[rialaigh]

Both Tennessee and UNI could end up top 100 and won't be considered bad. And even if not, there have been a lot of upsets and we still look pretty decent. Some of you guys jumped off the cliff without seeing the big picture.

Any loss to a MVC team that is not in the tourny is a bad loss. The only "good" loss of the year is @ TN...its a media bias, but it makes a difference. Even if UNI ends up with an RPI of 98 and TN ends with an RPI of 101 the TN loss is WAY better, the UNI loss is still at least semi-bad.


Major conference media bias, conferences losses to anyone that does not make the tourny is just flat out bad. We can't afford to lose to any other teams that aren't making the tourny this year unless we are going to beat creighton

[GoShockers89]

Any loss to a MVC team that is not in the tourny is a bad loss. The only "good" loss of the year is @ TN...its a media bias, but it makes a difference. Even if UNI ends up with an RPI of 98 and TN ends with an RPI of 101 the TN loss is WAY better, the UNI loss is still at least semi-bad.


Major conference media bias, conferences losses to anyone that does not make the tourny is just flat out bad. We can't afford to lose to any other teams that aren't making the tourny this year unless we are going to beat creighton

You're doing it wrong.

The Nitty Gritty Sheet doesn't put an asterisk next to losses in the 1-50 or 50-100 range that denotes whether the teams plays in a BCS conference.

The term "bad loss," as hyped by ESPN leading up to Selection Sunday, typically applies to 100+ RPI teams. SIU and UE will certainly be in that column; UNI is coin-flip, so is UT; ISUb certainly will not.

Of course, we can save ourselves a lot of stress by righting the ship immediately. Hopefully starting tomorrow.

[rialaigh]

You're doing it wrong.

The Nitty Gritty Sheet doesn't put an asterisk next to losses in the 1-50 or 50-100 range that denotes whether the teams plays in a BCS conference.

The term "bad loss," as hyped by ESPN leading up to Selection Sunday, typically applies to 100+ RPI teams. SIU and UE will certainly be in that column; UNI is coin-flip, so is UT; ISUb certainly will not.

Of course, we can save ourselves a lot of stress by righting the ship immediately. Hopefully starting tomorrow.

All I am saying is a loss against a 101 RPI TN is a much much better loss in the eyes of the committee than a loss against an 85 RPI UNI (assuming both are away games). Not saying it is the way it is suposed to be or that it is right. But it is the reality of it.

[SubGod22]

All I am saying is a loss against a 101 RPI TN is a much much better loss in the eyes of the committee than a loss against an 85 RPI UNI (assuming both are away games). Not saying it is the way it is suposed to be or that it is right. But it is the reality of it.

And this is where you're full of crap. The committee sees numbers, not names. So the RPI 85 loss looks better than RPI 101 loss no matter what. Now, maybe in the eyes of the ESPN talking heads it's not, but the numbers the committee looks at aren't that way.

[SB Shock]

You're doing it wrong.

The Nitty Gritty Sheet doesn't put an asterisk next to losses in the 1-50 or 50-100 range that denotes whether the teams plays in a BCS conference.
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Here is what the NCAA sees.

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[SB Shock]

Here is the 2013 version

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[ShockerFever]

All I am saying is a loss against a 101 RPI TN is a much much better loss in the eyes of the committee than a loss against an 85 RPI UNI (assuming both are away games). Not saying it is the way it is suposed to be or that it is right. But it is the reality of it.

Drake was a pretty brutal loss last year.

A couple bad losses aren't gonna kill a team, if they have enough quality wins to overcome them. This is true even more so this year with so many top-level teams racking up pretty bad losses. You're concentrating too much on our 5 losses and not enough on our 19 wins.

[ShockerFever]

6-2 vs. the Top 100 is a pretty good stat, with at least 3 more Top 100 opportunities, not counting the Valley Tourney.

Time to cut the rope to the anchor.

[wusphlash]

At the start of 2013, how many basketball geniuses would have predicted WSU and KU losing 6 in a row combined?

[rialaigh]

And this is where you're full of crap. The committee sees numbers, not names. So the RPI 85 loss looks better than RPI 101 loss no matter what. Now, maybe in the eyes of the ESPN talking heads it's not, but the numbers the committee looks at aren't that way.

Doesn't matter, name recognition still counts when they pick. Based upon the sheet above I 100% believe the loss to TN looks better than the loss to UNI in their eyes

[ABC]

Doesn't matter, name recognition still counts when they pick. Based upon the sheet above I 100% believe the loss to TN looks better than the loss to UNI in their eyes

Sorry rialaigh, I don't think you are correct. The committee knows the difference between a 60 RPI and a 100 RPI no matter the team name.

[RoyalShock]

Sorry rialaigh, I don't think you are correct. The committee knows the difference between a 60 RPI and a 100 RPI no matter the team name.

Exactly. That is the sole purpose of the RPI.