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Originally posted by Stickboy46 View Post
So looking at the schedule basing of last years ranks, we would expect at best 3 Q1/Q2 opportunities in the non con. The rest are all Q3/Q4. We basically will have to be near flawless in the conference season to have a chance at an at large IMO.
The road games at Western Kentucky and DePaul are both projected to be Q2 games (albeit on the low end of Q2) per Bart Torvik. Saint Louis was also borderline Q2 until Bart revised his model.
Still hoping for at least one more marquee opponent. You can't assemble a team like this and then play an unserious non-con.
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Originally posted by Stickboy46 View Post
So looking at the schedule basing of last years ranks, we would expect at best 3 Q1/Q2 opportunities in the non con. The rest are all Q3/Q4. We basically will have to be near flawless in the conference season to have a chance at an at large IMO.
It's not out of the realm of possibilities that we have 5-6 Q1/Q2 games from our NC.
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Originally posted by TrackSuitAndTie View Post
I'd say the floor is 3 Q1/2 games in the non-con: K-State is safely Q1/2 and the neutral court games in Orlando are also safely Q1/Q2.
The road games at Western Kentucky and DePaul are both projected to be Q2 games (albeit on the low end of Q2) per Bart Torvik. Saint Louis was also borderline Q2 until Bart revised his model.
Still hoping for at least one more marquee opponent. You can't assemble a team like this and then play an unserious non-con.
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So if we thump our friends from Frostbite Falls, that will guarantee they will chatter about their NCAA at-large chances, amirite?Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind. ~Dr. Seuss
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Originally posted by SkoShox View Post
I'd say that's pretty pessimistic. Here's the optimistic view: Last year Western Kentucky finished at 136 that's right at the cut line for a potential Q2 road game. Saint Louis is neutral plus a new coach and Robbie Availa will have them at least Top100 one would think. All 3 MTE teams will be close to a Q1 if not a solid Q2. Depaul has 4 4* star transfers plus 7 new 3 stars and Chris Holtmann running things. Not crazy to think they could sneak into the top 135. KSU will be a Q1 or Q2 game.
It's not out of the realm of possibilities that we have 5-6 Q1/Q2 games from our NC.
I am fine with the H&H with UNI for now. An at large berth for us would look a lot like the 2006-2017 teams who got in.
I am not excited about our fall, either. But this is what it is.
Also someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I think SIU was our largest crowd of the season last year. Had like 2X more people at that game than Memphis (I realize there are other factors).
But, even as the UNI name means little to other people, it may sell many more tickets in Wichita than say… UMASS, Richmond, App State… idk pick any of those 70 teams others mentioned.
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Originally posted by SkoShox View Post
I'd say that's pretty pessimistic. Here's the optimistic view: Last year Western Kentucky finished at 136 that's right at the cut line for a potential Q2 road game. Saint Louis is neutral plus a new coach and Robbie Availa will have them at least Top100 one would think. All 3 MTE teams will be close to a Q1 if not a solid Q2. Depaul has 4 4* star transfers plus 7 new 3 stars and Chris Holtmann running things. Not crazy to think they could sneak into the top 135. KSU will be a Q1 or Q2 game.
It's not out of the realm of possibilities that we have 5-6 Q1/Q2 games from our NC.
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Originally posted by TrackSuitAndTie View Post
I'd say the floor is 3 Q1/2 games in the non-con: K-State is safely Q1/2 and the neutral court games in Orlando are also safely Q1/Q2.
The road games at Western Kentucky and DePaul are both projected to be Q2 games (albeit on the low end of Q2) per Bart Torvik. Saint Louis was also borderline Q2 until Bart revised his model.
Still hoping for at least one more marquee opponent. You can't assemble a team like this and then play an unserious non-con.
I'll give you WKU though .. was thinking it was a home game even though it was clearly listed as in KY. That was a miss on my part. Still feels like an overall schedule that isn't set up for a team to make the tourney off of in the AAC.
Last 2 games are probably the decider. If both of those end up being Q3/Q4 games, we are probably AAC tourney or bust. Need 1 or 2 of those to be high level like you said.
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Originally posted by SkoShox View Post
I'd say that's pretty pessimistic. Here's the optimistic view: Last year Western Kentucky finished at 136 that's right at the cut line for a potential Q2 road game. Saint Louis is neutral plus a new coach and Robbie Availa will have them at least Top100 one would think. All 3 MTE teams will be close to a Q1 if not a solid Q2. Depaul has 4 4* star transfers plus 7 new 3 stars and Chris Holtmann running things. Not crazy to think they could sneak into the top 135. KSU will be a Q1 or Q2 game.
It's not out of the realm of possibilities that we have 5-6 Q1/Q2 games from our NC.
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Originally posted by SubGod22 View Post
Hard to schedule guaranteed Q1 and even Q2 games when you're on a downward trend.
I believe that we can do a better job of scheduling, but we can't do near as well as a few of you want when our NET has gone the wrong direction each of the last 5 years and we most recently were sitting above 150. UNI was better than us.
We need as many games as we can get against top 150 schools. Prefer that be closer to top 100 when possible, and UNI seems to fit that as they were essentially a borderline 100 team last year. I don't know who the return as I don't pay attention to Valley schools these days.
We have to perform better before we can schedule much better.
We can do better even in our current state. This was a throwaway home and home IMO. Let’s hope they aren’t a 200-level team (which is definitely possible) when we hit the road next year for a revenge trap game with no upside.Deuces Valley.
... No really, deuces.
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I see it this way.
First order of business is to get butts in seats. You can't do that in Wichita without winning allot of games.
2nd order is to target big games for the purpose of postseason play.
Since butts in seats helps recruiting and team play, I think the schedule is good at this point. If you schedule a bunch of Q1 or Q2 teams, your likely to lose the interest of some folks because of losses.
On the other hand you can't schedule a bunch of Yoder tech type teams either.
It's like the chicken or the egg first.
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WSU Shockers versus Kansas City Chiefs
So far, only a couple games up against the NFL World Champions x2:DATE CHIEFS NFL Time SHOCKERS GAME: w/ Game Time TBD Mon, Nov 4 vs Tampa Bay 7:15 PM at Western Kentucky - Bowling Green, Kentucky (E.A. Diddle Arena) Sat, Dec 21 vs Houston 12:00 PM vs. Kansas State - Wichita, Kansas (Charles Koch Arena) Last edited by WuShock Reaper; July 10, 2024, 10:00 PM.
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Rip em up, Tear em up, Give em HELL Shockers!
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