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  • Originally posted by SubGod22 View Post

    But it's not like he dominated the Summit. Outside of his last season, he never won the conference. I believe he'd never finished higher than 3rd prior to that season. So I don't understand where the alleged hate came from. He's obviously not demonstrative on the sidelines. He barely even works officials. His teams weren't dominant.

    Unless he completely changed his persona when he got to Wichita it doesn't make any sense.
    beat me to this ha!

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    • AT minimum, I'd like PM to be interviewed by Taylor Eldridge and have an open and honest evaluation of the season and plans moving forward. No cliches, no vague responses. I want an honest assessment from Mills. Are you going to do the same thing next year with the same players or are you going with a different approach? Did you learn anything about the type of player you need for the AAC? What is our recruiting plan? Who is our most accomplished recruiter on staff and where does he find the most talent, where are the best connections? What's his opinion on NIL and what does he think WSU realistically needs? I could go on and on, so many questions.

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      • Originally posted by SubGod22 View Post
        Saal preached transparency when he was hired and I'm not entirely sure we're getting that from him. Maybe people aren't asking him the right questions. I don't expect him to throw Mills under the bus, but he's been less than ideal lately and even beyond basketball we've heard next to nothing about anything in regards to the athletic department or what's going on or is planned.
        Well when you have mostly bad news and your ability to do much about it are tied by financial constraints you tend to get much less transparency.

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        • Originally posted by Aargh View Post
          A coach who relies on metrics may be inclined to pull the hot guy because the law of averages indicates that a player with one good half will have a bad second half. The averages will catch up with him. In other words, any time a player plays above his average game, he has to be pulled because of the possibiity he will play below his averages the rest of thte game.

          That's a twisted thought, but I can see where someone totally devoted to analytics and metricxs could embrace it.
          Nobody devoted to analytics and metrics would even consider embracing such a poppycock idea. Lets not put stupid strawman goofiness on HCPM, he has enough real problems to work through.
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          • Originally posted by 1972Shocker View Post

            Well when you have mostly bad news and your ability to do much about it are tied by financial constraints you tend to get much less transparency.
            Snowball effect then .. No one is going to donate more with limited/no transparency. So you get in a downwards cycle.

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            • "You Just Want to Slap The #### Outta Some People"

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              • Originally posted by Stickboy46 View Post

                Outside of last year though .. he really DIDN'T beat those teams

                Conference record and finishes
                2022: 12-6, T-3rd
                2021: 10-5, 4th
                2020: 9-7, T-4th
                2019: 7-9, T-5th
                2018: 5-9, T-5th

                It wasn't a Gregg Marshall type situation where they dominated everyone. They just had the 1 good year. If any team was the "villian" it would be South Dakota State since they also went 18-0 one year and was 1st place like 6 of the last 7 years (finishing 2nd behind ORU last year)
                That’s interesting. I don’t get it. I guess he’s villain in name only. I’ve never gotten that vibe from his since he’s been at WSU. Maybe he’s a villain for making us watch this team.

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                • Originally posted by Maizerunner08 View Post

                  That’s interesting. I don’t get it. I guess he’s villain in name only. I’ve never gotten that vibe from his since he’s been at WSU. Maybe he’s a villain for making us watch this team.
                  I know I hate him right now for making me suffer through these games. Or maybe I hate myself for still caring enough to watch this bullshit...
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                  • Originally posted by Maizerunner08 View Post

                    That’s interesting. I don’t get it. I guess he’s villain in name only. I’ve never gotten that vibe from his since he’s been at WSU. Maybe he’s a villain for making us watch this team.
                    "You Just Want to Slap The #### Outta Some People"

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                    • Originally posted by Stickboy46 View Post

                      Outside of last year though .. he really DIDN'T beat those teams

                      Conference record and finishes
                      2022: 12-6, T-3rd
                      2021: 10-5, 4th
                      2020: 9-7, T-4th
                      2019: 7-9, T-5th
                      2018: 5-9, T-5th

                      It wasn't a Gregg Marshall type situation where they dominated everyone. They just had the 1 good year. If any team was the "villian" it would be South Dakota State since they also went 18-0 one year and was 1st place like 6 of the last 7 years (finishing 2nd behind ORU last year)
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                      • Originally posted by SubGod22 View Post

                        I know I hate him right now for making me suffer through these games. Or maybe I hate myself for still caring enough to watch this bullshit...
                        "You Just Want to Slap The #### Outta Some People"

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                        • Originally posted by Stickboy46 View Post

                          Snowball effect then .. No one is going to donate more with limited/no transparency. So you get in a downwards cycle.
                          What does he have to sell? Gaslighting is probably worse than just keeping your mouth shut. Not many like it when you piss on their leg and tell them it's raining either.

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                          • Originally posted by 1972Shocker View Post

                            What does he have to sell? Gaslighting is probably worse than just keeping your mouth shut. Not many like it when you piss on their leg and tell them it's raining either.
                            Brutal honesty .. just hearing that the results aren't acceptable .. or not going to plan .. and that he's willing to adjust his approach. That maybe his approach at ORU isn't going to work at WSU. There is a lot that can be said that isn't just fluff.

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                            • Originally posted by Stickboy46 View Post

                              Brutal honesty .. just hearing that the results aren't acceptable .. or not going to plan .. and that he's willing to adjust his approach. That maybe his approach at ORU isn't going to work at WSU. There is a lot that can be said that isn't just fluff.
                              I actually had intended this post for the ADKS thread, but I don't disagree with the brutal honesty approach both from ADKS and HCPM. In fact, when things get as bad as they are you probably are just digging a deeper hole if you are not totally honest and to the point.
                              Last edited by 1972Shocker; February 26, 2024, 03:02 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by Stickboy46 View Post

                                Brutal honesty .. just hearing that the results aren't acceptable .. or not going to plan .. and that he's willing to adjust his approach. That maybe his approach at ORU isn't going to work at WSU. There is a lot that can be said that isn't just fluff.
                                Give me the HCMT mic moment. I'll take that.

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