Paul Mills Carmalized Marshmellow Seat

[SB Shock]

Actually, it might have been better to keep Brown one more year. That might have gotten a lot of salary off the books to help make a splash hire.

Those who think WSU is going to make a splash hire after Mills is gone should temper their expectations. The Mills hire should be a warning—he wasn't Saal's first choice, but that was all he could get.

WSU's next coach will be from a lesser conference or an assistant from a major conference. But they will all be risks and won't be "splashy", though I'm sure somebody will rationalize it. Their resumes will probably be worse than Mill's. The AAC is not a good conference.

[BOBB]

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Don’t bring that AI **** in hurr

[BOBB]

Yes, he did. But most people call it an extremely large penis, and he brought it with him.

Marshall simp cultist

[JVShocker]

Doom boners everywhere!!

I was gonna post a pic but didn't wanna get banned. The wife was hopeful though for a few seconds. Lol

[ShockerFever]

Those who think WSU is going to make a splash hire after Mills is gone should temper their expectations. The Mills hire should be a warning—he wasn't Saal's first choice, but that was all he could get.

WSU's next coach will be from a lesser conference or an assistant from a major conference. But they will all be risks and won't be "splashy", though I'm sure somebody will rationalize it. Their resumes will probably be worse than Mill's. The AAC is not a good conference.

Uh, WSU had a limited budget in place this go around too. As soon as the books free up, there will be a little more coin to spend. If there are any big boosters left for the next hire, and they want it “splashy”, they can make it splashy. It will 100% not be worse than Mills’ resume.

[shocktown]

Uh, WSU had a limited budget in place this go around too. As soon as the books free up, there will be a little more coin to spend. If there are any big boosters left for the next hire, and they want it “splashy”, they can make it splashy. It will 100% not be worse than Mills’ resume.

Doesn’t that assume the same revenue sources are available for the same $$$$ ?

[ShockTalk]

Those who think WSU is going to make a splash hire after Mills is gone should temper their expectations. The Mills hire should be a warning—he wasn't Saal's first choice, but that was all he could get.

WSU's next coach will be from a lesser conference or an assistant from a major conference. But they will all be risks and won't be "splashy", though I'm sure somebody will rationalize it. Their resumes will probably be worse than Mill's. The AAC is not a good conference.

Never said anything about a "splash" hire after Mills. I was talking about a better hire after one more year of Brown. Most any head coach WSU is or has gotten in the past, have been head coaches from lower conferences. Marshall was one. With more $s off the books, we could have gotten one from a better conference than a bottom-feeder conference team whose coach caught lightning in a bottle with the likes of Abmas.

[Kung Wu]

Marshall simp cultist

Thinkin' you could work "denier" in if you tried a little harder.

[SubGod22]

Big changes? Like what?

I hope it's drastic and involves TJ if he doesn't want to redshirt after missing so much of the season.

We're not playing for anything at this point other than not being last, so extend the bench and pull guys that are constantly making the same mistakes and let others have a shot.

Play Zion and Joy. Hell, at least those two actually look for others when they get their once a month chance to play in a game instead of driving the lane into three or more guys and throwing up **** because they're selfish assholes that don't care about the team dynamic or winning.

I don't care if they make some mistakes here and there either. Let them learn. I'll take some learning experience mistakes from the younger guys over watching a bunch of seniors make the same mistakes over and over, game after game and changing nothing.

[SubGod22]

Those who think WSU is going to make a splash hire after Mills is gone should temper their expectations. The Mills hire should be a warning—he wasn't Saal's first choice, but that was all he could get.

WSU's next coach will be from a lesser conference or an assistant from a major conference. But they will all be risks and won't be "splashy", though I'm sure somebody will rationalize it. Their resumes will probably be worse than Mill's. The AAC is not a good conference.

Hiring a top assistant from a top program or a great coach at a lower program isn't a bad thing. Hell, the greatest coach we've ever pulled came from the mighty Big South Conference. But he had a solid track record over multiple recruiting cycles and had his guys competing with larger programs and looking pretty good doing it. Was it a splash hire? I thought so, but he was also at the top of my wish list when the job opened up. But I could see where hiring someone from a lower level like that may not be considered a splash. But it was a damn good one and one we can do again with some due diligence and an open mind. Would Kellen Sampson have been a splash hire? Maybe not, but I think a lot of us would have been excited for it. Would Adrian Griffin have been a splash hire? I actually think so and it could have been had and still might be an option. He had openly talked about the wanting the job at one point and he may really want to return home to Wichita.

What we don't need to do is hire a guy that had one good season led by one player in a smaller conference and then was just average the rest of the time. Mills was never the answer and he's proved some of us right.

[ShockBand]

Hiring a top assistant from a top program or a great coach at a lower program isn't a bad thing. Hell, the greatest coach we've ever pulled came from the mighty Big South Conference. But he had a solid track record over multiple recruiting cycles and had his guys competing with larger programs and looking pretty good doing it. Was it a splash hire? I thought so, but he was also at the top of my wish list when the job opened up. But I could see where hiring someone from a lower level like that may not be considered a splash. But it was a damn good one and one we can do again with some due diligence and an open mind. Would Kellen Sampson have been a splash hire? Maybe not, but I think a lot of us would have been excited for it. Would Adrian Griffin have been a splash hire? I actually think so and it could have been had and still might be an option. He had openly talked about the wanting the job at one point and he may really want to return home to Wichita.

What we don't need to do is hire a guy that had one good season led by one player in a smaller conference and then was just average the rest of the time. Mills was never the answer and he's proved some of us right.

A lot of WSU folks seem obsessed with having someone who is supposedly a "proven" head coach. The honest truth, IMHO, is we are better suited at being a stepping stone job, IF we can find the right assistant or "lower level" head coach. I also hope that future contracts and buyout clauses are written differently, considering that we are in an age where players often don't stick around long. Have a proper base salary, and incentive success with $$$. For example, I'd rather see a base salary of $500,000 with another quarter to half million in potential bonuses for success. (I do realize this may be too low, it's just as an example) As far as the buyout, there should be lack of success thresholds that trigger a reduced buyout. I realize this would go against the way most contracts are written now, but somehow athletic departments need to tell coaches and their agents to pound sand when it comes to these ridiculous guarantees. IMHO, a buyout should never be more than the upcoming year's salary.

[rjl]

As of April 2026, payments to Brown end.

June 30, 2026, is when we can fire Mills and "only" pay 75% of the remainder of his salary. As I've said before, though, that's pretty late in the year to be looking for a new head coach.

As of December 2026, payments to Marshall end.

It's pretty clear that we are stuck with Mills one more season. In the unlikely event that we finish in the middle of the AAC or better next season, do we keep him one more year after that to clear out all the payments to former coaches?

That's got to be an extremely unlikely situation at this point. I don't see us having any players next year that had any meaningful PT this year.

[giskard]

A lot of WSU folks seem obsessed with having someone who is supposedly a "proven" head coach. The honest truth, IMHO, is we are better suited at being a stepping stone job, IF we can find the right assistant or "lower level" head coach. I also hope that future contracts and buyout clauses are written differently, considering that we are in an age where players often don't stick around long. Have a proper base salary, and incentive success with $$$. For example, I'd rather see a base salary of $500,000 with another quarter to half million in potential bonuses for success. (I do realize this may be too low, it's just as an example) As far as the buyout, there should be lack of success thresholds that trigger a reduced buyout. I realize this would go against the way most contracts are written now, but somehow athletic departments need to tell coaches and their agents to pound sand when it comes to these ridiculous guarantees. IMHO, a buyout should never be more than the upcoming year's salary.

With where the program is right now, having the next coach leave because they were successful and are taking the next stepping stone would be a HUGE improvement. Would WSU ever have hired Marshall with the program in the state it was before Turgeon?

[ShockerFever]

Doesn’t that assume the same revenue sources are available for the same $$$$ ?

That’s why I said “if”.

[Stickboy46]

As of April 2026, payments to Brown end.

June 30, 2026, is when we can fire Mills and "only" pay 75% of the remainder of his salary. As I've said before, though, that's pretty late in the year to be looking for a new head coach.

As of December 2026, payments to Marshall end.

It's pretty clear that we are stuck with Mills one more season. In the unlikely event that we finish in the middle of the AAC or better next season, do we keep him one more year after that to clear out all the payments to former coaches?

That's got to be an extremely unlikely situation at this point. I don't see us having any players next year that had any meaningful PT this year.

The middle of the aac could still be a >NET 200 team