Paul Mills Carmalized Marshmellow Seat

[Kung Wu]

This may or may not be a dumb question… but what would the obstacles be to bringing Marshall back? We are terrible, we are in an even worse financial situation and he’s on our current payroll anyways… is this even realistic possibility?

Don't worry about SHOXAAC, he's a little chippy from losing to Tulsa.

We have had much gnashing of the teeth over this idea and all have arrived at the final realism that he is never, ever coming back for a whole lot of reasons. You can search for many threads on this subject and will have some good laughs and a few cries along the way.

[Speed]

Maybe Koch Arena can be converted to a paid parking garage. It may well be a more efficient use of real-estate.

[1972Shocker]

This is a repost of mine from a week ago:

I will point out that section 20.1 of HCPM's agreement reads:

For purposes of this Agreement, the term “Cause” shall include any one or more of the following as determined by ICAA: (a) the refusal, failure, fraud, or dishonesty of Coach in any material respect to comply with the reasonable directives of the Director of Athletics or to perform the duties set forth in this Agreement

Appendix A outlines the duties which include:

As Head Men’s Basketball Coach, Coach’s duties and responsibilities include, without limitation:
1. Lead, supervise, evaluate, recruit, train, condition, discipline, educate, develop, promote, and coach the University's men's basketball team to compete successfully in the AAC and nationally.

It seems to me that HCPM has and is clearly failing to coach a team that is or can compete successfully in the AAC and nationally with next year looking even more questionable. No doubt HCPM would challenge this in court and I am not sure what Wichita State's chances to prevail would be if they terminated him for cause on this basis.

Coach Mills' employment contract can be terminated by mutual agreement of the parties. Perhaps ADKS should approach HCPM and let him now that he is not living up to the duties of his contract noted above and that he is considering terminating HCPM for cause. However, just to be gentlemanly about it WSU would agree to a $1 million buyout at the end of this season with no mitigation requirement.

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Not sure how one could argue that Mills is coaching MBB to compete successfully in the AAC and nationally. Would anyone like to take a shot at that.

If am ADKS I am having my attorney's reviewing this and I would probably be aggressive in pursuing it. Unless the deep pocketed boosters step up in huge way, and at this point why would they, then what does he really have to lose.

Personally, I have zero confidence that things will be any better next year. It could easily be even worse than this year.

[BOBB]

Just glad I quit watching this program, before it started bleeding out on the street after being curb stomped.

All we can hope for is that an ambulance shows up in time to place us in a medically induced coma before being announced DOA.

Let me know if we wake up from the coma or not.

I often post on forums about programs I no longer follow.

[Kung Wu]

It’s not. And also, I really don’t think Marshall is a good fit for today’s environment. I’ll get hate on that but we need to focus on the way forward

You and I disagree on whether he should have been fired, but I fully respect your opinion and agree that going forward its really not even worth discussing a return.

[Stickboy46]

This is a repost of mine from a week ago:

I will point out that section 20.1 of HCPM's agreement reads:

For purposes of this Agreement, the term “Cause” shall include any one or more of the following as determined by ICAA: (a) the refusal, failure, fraud, or dishonesty of Coach in any material respect to comply with the reasonable directives of the Director of Athletics or to perform the duties set forth in this Agreement

Appendix A outlines the duties which include:

As Head Men’s Basketball Coach, Coach’s duties and responsibilities include, without limitation:
1. Lead, supervise, evaluate, recruit, train, condition, discipline, educate, develop, promote, and coach the University's men's basketball team to compete successfully in the AAC and nationally.

It seems to me that HCPM has and is clearly failing to coach a team that is or can compete successfully in the AAC and nationally with next year looking even more questionable. No doubt HCPM would challenge this in court and I am not sure what Wichita State's chances to prevail would be if they terminated him for cause on this basis.

Coach Mills' employment contract can be terminated by mutual agreement of the parties. Perhaps ADKS should approach HCPM and let him now that he is not living up to the duties of his contract noted above and that he is considering terminating HCPM for cause. However, just to be gentlemanly about it WSU would agree to a $1 million buyout at the end of this season with no mitigation requirement.

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Not sure how one could argue that Mills is coaching MBB to compete successfully in the AAC and nationally. Would anyone like to take a shot at that.

If am ADKS I am having my attorney's reviewing this and I would probably be aggressive in pursuing it. Unless the deep pocketed boosters step up in huge way, and at this point why would they, then what does he really have to lose.

Personally, I have zero confidence that things will be any better next year. It could easily be even worse than this year.

As much as I want him gone... Us trying to wiggle out of a buyout pretty much assures we will never hire a good coach again.

Just get the damn money somehow and make it happen. Set up a tent on Mr. Kochs lawn until he pays you to go away.

[C0|dB|00ded]

Set up a tent on Mr. Kochs lawn until he pays you to go away.

That won't happen.

I'm fairly certain Mr. Koch is paying some of the salaries right now.

[C0|dB|00ded]

You and I disagree on whether he should have been fired, but I fully respect your opinion and agree that going forward its really not even worth discussing a return.

What about as the AD?

[Kung Wu]

What about as the AD?

Hahaha, no.

[1972Shocker]

As much as I want him gone... Us trying to wiggle out of a buyout pretty much assures we will never hire a good coach again.

Simply enforcing a contract pursuant to the terms of that contract. But I am open to negotiating a reasonable severance package as I mentioned in my post. If the only way we can hire a good coach again is to bend over, grab our ankles and take it in the ass then maybe the athletic department should just close up shop.

[Stickboy46]

Simply enforcing a contract pursuant to the terms of that contract. But I am open to negotiating a reasonable severance package as I mentioned in my post. If the only way we can hire a good coach again is to bend over, grab our ankles and take it in the ass then maybe the athletic department should just close up shop.

Firing a coach after two years ... Two times in a row... Is bad enough. Trying to not pay one would prevent any good coach from taking any offer seriously. It doesn't matter what you or I think.

[N Crestway]

Firing a coach after two years ... Two times in a row... Is bad enough. Trying to not pay one would prevent any good coach from taking any offer seriously. It doesn't matter what you or I think.

Maybe it would be better to let the program die over the next two years with Mills coachiing , then an affordable buyout and rebirth. Unfortunately, Saal may also be problematic for the rebuild.

[Stickboy46]

Maybe it would be better to let the program die over the next two years with Mills coachiing , then an affordable buyout and rebirth. Unfortunately, Saal may also be problematic for the rebuild.

If we don't have money to pay his buyout, we likely don't have money to pay a good coach.

ADKS has to figure out how to get the money for both.

Not paying a buyout because of on the court performance is basically unheard of. It would instantly blacklist us

[1972Shocker]

Firing a coach after two years ... Two times in a row... Is bad enough. Trying to not pay one would prevent any good coach from taking any offer seriously. It doesn't matter what you or I think.

We did not fire IB. We bought him out of his very pricey contract and he was not hurt in the least bit financially. In fact, he effing won the lottery. If Mills did not want to be fired for cause if his teams could not compete successfully then he should not have signed this contract. Perhaps a good coach would have better legal representation in negotiating a contract.

Besides what I am proposing is a negotiated termination of Mills' contract by mutual agreement. With the ability to fire him for cause to be used as leverage to benefit WSU in the negotiations.

Although, I don't expect Wichita State to be in the running for well a established proven coach for the foreseeable future. We simply can't afford exposure to these massive buyouts. Perhaps a guy like Adrian Griffin would come in and agree to an incentive laden 3-year contract that would that would, with WSU's annual approval, rollover every year.

Either way WSU is not, as far as I can tell, in a position to shell out big bucks for a proven big time coach whether we fire Coach Mills this year or not.

Will our deep-pocketed boosters, to the extent they exist anymore, bail us out? Maybe, ADKS would have the best feel for that (or at least I hope he would).

All that said my expectations are that Coach Mills will be back for at least one more year.

[SB Shock]

Simply enforcing a contract pursuant to the terms of that contract. But I am open to negotiating a reasonable severance package as I mentioned in my post.

The only reasonable severance package will be paying Mills remaining salary.

If the only way we can hire a good coach again is to bend over, grab our ankles and take it in the ass then maybe the athletic department should just close up shop.

Let's wait till we see how baseball goes before closing down the athletic department.