Deb Farris: WSU To Look into Bringing Football Back in Next 3-4 Years

[SB Shock]

WSU used to play NIU and beat them too.

and lose to them also.

I just wish WSU had football. It could have been us beating Ku today.

or not....WSU was 1-4 against KU. You also assume KU would actually play WSU.

[ShockTalk]

I am sorry about that, I was getting Air Force and Colorado State mixed up. I was thinking AFA was in Ft. Collins and Colorado St was in Colorado Springs.

No biggie @shox1989:. Just noting correct location.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Collins_–_Loveland_Metropolitan_Statistical_A rea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_census_statistical_areas

I guess that would be a NO!!

NO!! it's not in Colorado Springs or NO!! it's not probably in the Denver market area? Jeez, @SpanglerFan316:. Caps, really? Touch a nerve?

I didn't bother looking it up, just didn't see Ft Collins in shox1989's Nielsen listing and figured it's bigger than North Platte, probably missed it. Guess I should have used "maybe" in stead of "probably". Please excuse. Maybe you can find Ft. Collins in the listing. http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/c...enetration.pdf

[shocker3]

I don't believe the size of our TV market is hurting WSU. Of course it would help if it were bigger, but Wichita is #67 out of 210 TV markets. That puts Wichita in the top 32% of TV markets. If anything I would think our TV market size would be more of a plus than a minus.

[The Mad Hatter]

I don't believe the size of our TV market is hurting WSU. Of course it would help if it were bigger, but Wichita is #67 out of 210 TV markets. That puts Wichita in the top 32% of TV markets. If anything I would think our TV market size would be more of a plus than a minus.

The #67 media market isn't going to actively hurt our chances of a conference invite, but it won't help it either. This discussion was started in relation to why a school like Charlotte was getting a quick invite into CUSA as a football start up and the implication that if they can, so can WSU. While #67 isn't bad, it doesn't have the kind of cachet that top 25 or even top 50 does to a conference. A conference might be willing to overlook that Charlotte won't be very competitive in football for some time to come with a top 25 media market, but be far less likely to take a team with the exact same future prospects but without the huge market.

And that is when talking about conferences like CUSA. To get a seat at the BCS table (where the real money is) you will generally need to deliver both a major market and have nationally recognized success. There are existing BCS teams that don't meet that standard, but get a seat because they happened to join those conferences a long time ago. Trying to get in is much harder. While both Boise State and TCU have had enough national success to earn invites into BCS leagues, by being in Dallas - Fort Worth (#5 media market), TCU had better offers on the table than Boise State. Both were offered into the Big East, which is struggling to maintain its BCS standing, whereas TCU also got the Big 12 invite. Geographically, Boise State could just as reasonably been offered a spot in the Pac-16 as TCU in the Big 12, but they weren't, in spite of similar on the field success. Utah and Colorado both got invites to the Pac-16 without as much recent football success as Boise State, but they offer the Salt Lake City (#33) and Denver (#17) media markets.

Between some geographic limits on potential conferences and having only a so-so media market, WSU is going to have a hard time getting a seat at a table that is really secure. CUSA may be a step up from the Valley (although it has been worse in basketball 4 of the last 5 years), but it isn't a true safe haven were you would feel immune from a major shift. This is already clear from the fact that Memphis (which provided the bulk of basketball strength) is leaving for the Big East. I understand the concern people have about conference realignment, but outside of getting into a BCS league, I don't see that anywhere is really safe, with or without football. That is not a definite reason to not bring football back, but I think there is some tendency to think that football provides more security on that front than it actually does.

[SpanglerFan316]

No biggie @shox1989. Just noting correct location.



NO!! it's not in Colorado Springs or NO!! it's not probably in the Denver market area? Jeez, @SpanglerFan316. Caps, really? Touch a nerve?

I didn't bother looking it up, just didn't see Ft Collins in shox1989's Nielsen listing and figured it's bigger than North Platte, probably missed it. Guess I should have used "maybe" in stead of "probably". Please excuse. Maybe you can find Ft. Collins in the listing. http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/c...enetration.pdf

I'm really confused by your post.

1. I agree that CSU (Colorado State University) is not in CS (Colorado Springs). 2. Having recently (and somewhat frequently) visited Colorado, it seemed clear to me that Ft Collins is not in the Denver MSU; I stated this in a previous post. 3. WSU's student headcount did not drop immediately after football was eliminated; in fact, the first year in which it decreased was 1990.

Anyway, why are you so unhappy? (Let me know if you will be unhappy for a significant amount of time so I can put you on Ignore like the others and enjoy this site.)

[ShockTalk]

I'm really confused by your post.

1. I agree that CSU (Colorado State University) is not in CS (Colorado Springs). 2. Having recently (and somewhat frequently) visited Colorado, it seemed clear to me that Ft Collins is not in the Denver MSU; I stated this in a previous post. 3. WSU's student headcount did not drop immediately after football was eliminated; in fact, the first year in which it decreased was 1990.

Anyway, why are you so unhappy? (Let me know if you will be unhappy for a significant amount of time so I can put you on Ignore like the others and enjoy this site.)

Sorry if I misunderstood your post @SpanglerFan316. I thought that typing something in caps (NO) plus "!!" was generally thought of as a form of shouting and being indignant to another poster. Sorry if you didn't mean it that way. Your posting of the links was helpful, but your additional post was confusing to me and unwarranted.

I, too, did not think Ft. Collins would be considered in the Denver area, but, as I said, I did not find it on the Nielsen link. Did you? I have no idea what your number 3 had to do with my posts.

[SpanglerFan316]

I have no idea what your *** had to do with my ***.

You sound just like my friends. :D

[C0|dB|00ded]

Come on Chuck, share your smile...



Yipes, Stripes, Beechnut Gum x $31 B! http://www.forbes.com/profile/charles-koch/

WTF?! He's at 31 billion now? He's doubled his net worth in under a decade. Let me rephrase.. he has increased his net worth by 15 billion in under a decade. Koch Industries employs a lot of WSU grads. Charlie? How about tossing a few flakes of your new wealth our direction?


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[KC Shox]

WTF?! He's at 31 billion now? He's doubled his net worth in under a decade. Let me rephrase.. he has increased his net worth by 15 billion in under a decade. Koch Industries employs a lot of WSU grads. Charlie? How about tossing a few flakes of your new wealth our direction?


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Yes sir, how about Mr. Koch and Mr. Burrell (Garmin) collaborate and help a brotha' out? Thank you Mr. Koch for past assistance, but we'd like to be one of the Joneses.

[Ricardo del Rio]

Where is the big athletic budget and results bump that occurred when WSU dropped football? Some of you sound as if WSU would cease to exist if the Shox had retained the football program. How about then WSU AD Lew "the screw" Perkins rolling up his sleeves and raising some money in the state's largest city?

Two paths and WSU took the road less likely to yield results. They took the easy road.
DF (during football)
-- 5 NCAA basketball appearances going 6-6 with a Final Four and 2 Regional Finals
-- In 1980s, WSU football beating Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State
-- Enrollment numbers continue to trend upward

AF (after football)
-- 4 NCAA basketball appearances going 2-4 (2 of those appearances happened within 2 years from WSU dropping football)
-- 1 National Championship 3 years removed from WSU dropping football (many recruited during when WSU HAD football)
-- Enrollment numbers quickly trend down and barely start to grow resulting in stagnation (while Wichita metro area grows at a much faster rate)

Facilities:
What great facility expansion has occurred? Where is the VB only facility? Where is the women's basketball only facility? Where is the master plan of the baseball stadium in contrast to a hodgepodge built stadium. CKA was refurbished ONCE in a 50 year period (thank you CK).

I get the premise that WSU would see additional dollars for other programs once the football program was dropped.
However, I don't believe any athletic director (excluding perhaps ADJS who drove to finally get HLA refurbished) really endeavored to move WSU athletics to the next level. I understand that WSU can pay HCGM $1m+/year in part because of a lack of football. I understand WSU has put all of their glory eggs into one basket. But at what sacrifice? Why can't WSU still pay for a top notch MBB coach and have a football program. Why do we settle for less?

Interesting that when WSU had football (as awful as it often was) it seemed to be a part of WSU having greater name recognition. Football isn't only about the sport.

We are in the MoVal abyss in part because WSU doesn't have football. I painfully accept that, but I was hoping for better facilities and better results from the other sports as a tradeoff. I just don't see it.

All it takes is money. Lots of money.

In my view, three buckets of money are required as follows:

1. Funds for start up costs, which includes capital improvements
2. Funds to cover operating costs for years one and two.
3. Reserve funds, which are invested, to cover operating losses into perpetuity.

Fill those three buckets and it is downhill from there.

[C0|dB|00ded]

http://www.kansas.com/2012/09/26/2504954/koch-industries-donates-814000.html

C'mon Charlie.. for real?


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[Signman]

Had a nice long conversation today with a city councilman about WSU football. He agreed that it was probably time for this community and our university pursue FBS football as it would be beneficial to our long term growth and overall atmosphere of SC Kansas. Lot of work to do tho.

Who do we want to be?
Who do you want to beat?

Bring it back!

[KraRam]

Had a nice long conversation today with a city councilman about WSU football. He agreed that it was probably time for this community and our university pursue FBS football as it would be beneficial to our long term growth and overall atmosphere of SC Kansas. Lot of work to do tho.

Who do we want to be?
Who do you want to beat?

Bring it back!

He / She just wants your vote!

[Kung Wu]

Who do we want to be?

Bobby Knight!!

Who do you want to beat?

F%$&^?ing Purdue!!

[Ricardo del Rio]

I am for the return of Shocker football, provided it is adequately funded on a stand alone basis. As an example, no borrowing from basketball to pay for football expenses.

If football will distract from other sport programs, then I will not support the return of football.

I suggest the formation of an exploratory committee, which is chaired by Cold, to determine the viability of immediately joining the S.E.C.