Shockers vs Lipscomb (Monday, Nov 6th)

[ShockRef]

If you are ripping on HCPM and they haven't played game one?
You easily qualify as an asshat.

I checked the Go Shockers website... it listed the 2023-24 shocker basketball team record as 0-0.
Yet because an OU cast off with a 33% turnover ratio did not qualify, some on here are wanting IB's phone number.

Jeezus, calm the F down.

That is all.

[ShockerFever]

If you are ripping on HCPM and they haven't played game one?
You easily qualify as an asshat.

I checked the Go Shockers website... it listed the 2023-24 shocker basketball team record as 0-0.
Yet because an OU cast off with a 33% turnover ratio did not qualify, some on here are wanting IB's phone number.

Jeezus, calm the F down.

That is all.

Stickboy likes to overreact to everything and rile up the masses.

[ShockTalk]

If you are ripping on HCPM and they haven't played game one?
You easily qualify as an asshat.

I checked the Go Shockers website... it listed the 2023-24 shocker basketball team record as 0-0.
Yet because an OU cast off with a 33% turnover ratio did not qualify, some on here are wanting IB's phone number.

Jeezus, calm the F down.

That is all.

C'mon Ref. No one is commenting on his "in game coaching" abilities. It's fair to critic, good, fair, or bad, his perceived recruiting to this point. Particularly since that "OU cast off with a 33% turnover ratio" is our only true scholarship PG and not eligible for the first part of the season, maybe more. A good PG can make all players better. A no-so-good PG, or none at all for part of a season, could likely make most players less effective than normal.

[1972Shocker]

We may have to start grading our coaches on the curve since it appears that so much if their success is now tied to how much the fan base provides in NIL funding. So evaluate the coach based on programs with similar NIL funding.

If a coach is performing at or above realistic expectations based on the available NIL pot of gold then no complaints. If you want better results grow the pot of gold. If the coach is underperforming his available resources replace him.

As far as I can tell, it seems to me the Shocker fan base ain't what it used to be pre-covid and pre-3G firing. And that includes the deep pockets that funded 3G's personal pot of gold if $3 to $3.5 mil per year.

It is not just Wichita State though. College athletics overall seem to be on the wane.

[ShockTalk]

We may have to start grading our coaches on the curve since it appears that so much if their success is now tied to how much the fan base provides in NIL funding. So evaluate the coach based on programs with similar NIL funding.

If a coach is performing at or above realistic expectations based on the available NIL pot of gold then no complaints. If you want better results grow the pot of gold. If the coach is underperforming his available resources replace him.

As far as I can tell, it seems to me the Shocker fan base ain't what it used to be pre-covid and pre-3G firing. And that includes the deep pockets that funded 3G's personal pot of gold if $3 to $3.5 mil per year.

It is not just Wichita State though. College athletics overall seem to be on the wane.

You are correct. We may be seeing some of the effects of having to pay off athletic department contracts of former coaches and such. There's a few million tied up in all that for a few more years.

[Shocktoberfest]

Do we have a way to see what our NIL actually looks like? I keep hearing how we are weak or way behind. I’m not disputing that. But where do we see the actual figures?

[TrackSuitAndTie]

Do we have a way to see what our NIL actually looks like? I keep hearing how we are weak or way behind. I’m not disputing that. But where do we see the actual figures?

I thought ADKS said our MBB NIL fund was at around $500k this summer, but I could be misremembering.

[SB Shock]

It's fair to critic, good, fair, or bad, his perceived recruiting to this point.

Question is WSU in a better position with Mills recruiting or would have been with IB recruiting?

[Atxshoxfan]

Question is WSU in a better position with Mills recruiting or would have been with IB recruiting?

Kind of irrelevant at this point. Mills had since about April to recruit almost an entire team. Most coaches work on recruits for at least a year. IB got several kids that were all about "me", hopefully Mills is getting kids who are about "team". So until we see a couple of years of recruiting, and the products on the floor, how can one know?

[ShockTalk]

Question is WSU in a better position with Mills recruiting or would have been with IB recruiting?

Each year usually has its own needs, but here you go and you tell me:

Brown: C: Ballard F: Rojas, Okafor SF: Pierre, Walton SG/PG: Rogers, Bell PG: Scott, Flanagan (PG was not a priority with Porter)

Mills: C: -- F/C: Germany SF: DeGray, Ridgnal SG: Beverly, Ighovodja, Bamba PG: Cortes

[asiseeit]

Disregarding intangibles that come with many players ( esp Walton and Pierre ) clearly IB unless we get a couple BIG surprises........time will tell

[Topshock]

Each year usually has its own needs, but here you go and you tell me:

Brown: C: Ballard F: Rojas, Okafor SF: Pierre, Walton SG/PG: Rogers, Bell PG: Scott, Flanagan (PG was not a priority with Porter)

Mills: C: -- F/C: Germany SF: DeGray, Ridgnal SG: Beverly, Ighovodja, Bamba PG: Cortes

Guess you are not going to consider the two 4 stars that have committed.

And he is still way less than 1 year on the job.

Ridiculous to be comparing recruiting at this point.

[Atxshoxfan]

Guess you are not going to consider the two 4 stars that have committed.

And he is still way less than 1 year on the job.

Ridiculous to be comparing recruiting at this point.

[ShockTalk]

Guess you are not going to consider the two 4 stars that have committed.

And he is still way less than 1 year on the job.

Ridiculous to be comparing recruiting at this point.

I don't disagree. I made a comparison of what was ask.

[forevershockerfan]

Well, at least Garrison Matthew's is out of eligibility. He lit us up in NIT for 34 points. I almost forgot about playing this team before. They are experienced this Season but I still feel a Shocker 7pt. victory in my ole creaking bones.