New Coach

[another shocker]

Didn't Eck have some problems at UMKC? The (fired) head coach there (Sundvold?) got his panties in a wad and accused Eck of undermining (backstabbing) him in hopes of becoming the head coach himself? That whole ugly affair pretty much killed Eck's D-I coaching prospects. That was like the final straw for him.

[Ricardo del Rio]

I thought I was pouring a gallon of water on the fire.

It turns out that I was throwing gasoline on the fire.

My bad.

[Dave Stalwart]

What's really going on is we are all itching for basketball so bad that even this stuff is the tiny fix that keeps us going :) I don't even care what the debate or conversation is. It attempts to fill the summer void for me. I can't wait for more basketball. Can we get some more videos please!

[Dave Stalwart]

I will argue till the cows go home about whether or not orukpe is going to suck or whether or not armstead is better than dwill or whether or not is actually possible that we could have a 6'8" guy at the freaking 3 in a lineup so huge that it seems unfair...7', 6'8", 6'8", 6'6", & 6'2"
All because I am apparently addicted to Shocker basketball like all of you guys! Let's play some ball!

[shockmonster]

I'll betcha that Turner is pretty good.

[shock]

My guy said Turner wasn't one of the ones he knew who were knee deep with Eck. He didn't know Turner too well.

[shock]

@shock: Barton

And here is why you didn't get paid. Barton and Butler are the minority few that don't pay anymore.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2006-02-13-notes_x.htm

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2611020

http://cjonline.com/stories/080406/lsp_barton.shtml

http://www.cstv.com/genrel/080306aab.html

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2006-08-14-barton-county-scandal_x.htm

http://cjonline.com/stories/081806/bre_workstudy.shtml

Granted, these are all about Barton County. However, the last one mentions other colleges, and then there's this-

http://www.cowleypress.com/?p=3117

Those numbers have been in place for a long time, as long as anyone can remember.

Its all there. This is why it makes me uneasy. And the sick feeling not physically sick, but more like, "I have a bad feeling about this."

[WSUwatcher]

How about this, shock? I'll start to feel uneasy if WSU starts a Jayhawk Juco style work-study program -- fair enough? Until then, I'll continue to have faith in Marshall and Marty Gross.

[Shocker91]

Eck recruited players to South just as Auer recruits to Heights. It is factually correct.

While the fact that Eck recruited players to South is common knowledge, the fact that Auer recruits players to Heights is not factually correct. Auer's cupboards got cleaned on a yearly basis by others in the City League. From Perry Ellis to Terrence Moore to Evan Wessel on down, those are all players from within the Heights district. Give examples of players (no, Thurman is not one--believe that) who Auer recruited recently before you say something ignorant.

On a more salient and relevant note, Coach Turner is probably all of the positive things that Coach Gross said about him. He probably also saw and did some negative things while working for Eck. I doubt that's even debatable. Who is he now? Who knows? As most people are, Turner is a product of his experiences. How those experiences have changed him is not necessarily for us to discuss. And, as for his recruiting expertise, I bet he was brought in (at least to an extent) to work the Kansas JUCO scene. While Coach Heiar and Coach Jans are experienced with JUCO recruiting, they are most familiar with the Southeast. My educated guess is that a large part of what Turner will do will concern the Jayhawk Conference and probably Texas JUCOs. As far as HS kids, who knows? But bear in mind the fact that he was on at UT-AM CC for a single year doesn't mean he recruited Texas at all. The other two assistants (Gross and Dannhoff) have far more experience in Texas and the two of them were probably in charge of different chunks of that state. Whether or not Turner had a chunk to himself is anyone's best guess.

And yes, this is my first post. So sue me. It is June, I am bored, and this conversation was both confrontational and intriguing.

[shock]

How about this, shock? I'll start to feel uneasy if WSU starts a Jayhawk Juco style work-study program -- fair enough? Until then, I'll continue to have faith in Marshall and Marty Gross.

Okay. You can stop beating me over the head. So what if I have a bad feeling or if you have a good feeling? I really don't care if we agree or not. I was posting more for the quizzical minds than for the Eckers anyway. I trust Marshall. I trust my friend that has an ex-con mowing his lawn.
(No, I am not insinuating Turner is an ex-con. Just a metaphor.)

[vancedave56]

Way too much is being made of this - let this new coach stand on his own merrit and cut out the paranoia. I coached AAU ball with Coach Eck one summer, and there was nothing "fishy" or financial going on there. He did a good job with the X's and O's and and even better job working on the players attitudes about being part of the "team" as opposed to playing as individuals. Steve Woodberry seems to be a fine assistant coach and most players that have played for coach Eck appear to be upstanding individuals.

Even if there is guilt somewhere, guilt by association is very discriminitory and is the same as profiling. We shouldn't let personal vendettas cloud our judgement. After all, who are we to judge anyway?

[shockmonster]

Does anyone know his dad? Do you think that he may have influenced him?

[Ricardo del Rio]

Does anyone know his dad? Do you think that he may have influenced him?

Oh man. Kai, I think it is time.

[dTm]

I stood next to a friend of mine that played for another City League while Eck tried to convince him to come to South.

And as far as @WuDrWu: goes, when you find one of his 10,000 posts that has a single part of it that is untrue, point it out. It will be a waste of your time. So yes, if he says it, you can count on it being true.

Who are you again, @dTm:?

wow 10k posts means he must be an expert. sigh

Look I'm not here saying Steve Eck is a saint, Im just saying the guy is a hell of a coach and teacher and if Doc or any of the rest of you cant look at that objectively then so be it. His win loss record and championships at different levels proves the guy can coach.
Not sure how one recruits to a public school where the parents have to actually move to the district, (what do you offer?) and if you really had proof of wrongdoing I'm pretty sure with all the obvious haters out there (jealousy?) we would have known about it by now. So please someone anyone tell me names of those kids that changed districts because of Eck? Impossible to think they wanted to play for the best coach in the city right?
10k posts does not guarantee anything except you maybe need to get a life away from the computer

[WstateU]

wow 10k posts means he must be an expert. sigh

Look I'm not here saying Steve Eck is a saint, Im just saying the guy is a hell of a coach and teacher and if Doc or any of the rest of you cant look at that objectively then so be it. His win loss record and championships at different levels proves the guy can coach.
Not sure how one recruits to a public school where the parents have to actually move to the district, (what do you offer?) and if you really had proof of wrongdoing I'm pretty sure with all the obvious haters out there (jealousy?) we would have known about it by now. So please someone anyone tell me names of those kids that changed districts because of Eck? Impossible to think they wanted to play for the best coach in the city right?
10k posts does not guarantee anything except you maybe need to get a life away from the computer

It's time to step away from the keyboard my friend... if there's an expert on Shockernet, it would be Doc.