March 6 Poll-As of now what are odds IB will be our coach next season?

[1972Shocker]

I think Saal could hire a "special assistant to the Athletic Director" the moment next year is over and tell Brown that they will exercise the option on May 1. Then continue to pay him and leave him designated as the head coach, while making it very publicly known that effective May 1, the "special assistant" would become the head coach.

That then opens up a form vs substance argument. Definitely not a sure fire scheme.

[Aargh]

Still wouldn't work. Contract is a contract and no judge is going to buy that you weren't effectively firing them before the day to avoid the buyout. The special assistant to the Athletic Director also would not be allowed to do any "head coaching" duties like contacting recruits or it would be an NCAA violation. So yet again .. what are we getting by putting ourselves at risk. If HCIB gets another year .. he gets it until May 1, 2024.

Good point about recruiting. Let Kennedy retire and hire the new guy as an assistant who can recruit. Then you'd have Pierre, Waterman, and the new guy all able to recruit. Might be a bit awkward for Pierre and Waterman.

As long as IB is on the payroll and designated as the "Head Coach" until May 1, I believe the terms of the contract are fulfilled.

[Stickboy46]

Good point about recruiting. Let Kennedy retire and hire the new guy as an assistant who can recruit. Then you'd have Pierre, Waterman, and the new guy all able to recruit. Might be a bit awkward for Pierre and Waterman.

As long as IB is on the payroll and designated as the "Head Coach" until May 1, I believe the terms of the contract are fulfilled.

I believe HCIB has control over who his assistants are. If the AD overrules him and takes that away, hires an "assistant coach", then promotes that coach immediately after firing HCIB on May 1st, then courts are still very likely to agree that WSU breached the contract when they did not allow HCIB to hire his assistants and instead hired someone with the "intention" of replacing HCIB.

[Atxshoxfan]

Nm

[TrackSuitAndTie]

[BostonWu]

Might pertain to our sugar daddy

[WstateU]

Might pertain to our sugar daddy

I do like that one of our 'sugar daddies' has his name on the arena... hopefully, he wants 'winners' to occupy the facility. I forgot one of the other 'sugar daddies' has his name on the floor.

[Stickboy46]

What the list of Major jobs open that we would be competing against for candidates?

Right now I think its:
Texas
Texas Tech
Notre Dame
Ole Miss

Any others?

Add Cal and Georgetown to this list now.

[DwShock]

Mr. Brown should not be coach at the end of this weekend. Even the AAC is losing money with Mr. Brown as the Shockers coach. The man gotta go

[WstateU]

Mr. Brown should not be coach at the end of this weekend. Even the AAC is losing money with Mr. Brown as the Shockers coach. The man gotta go

That’s an excellent point; when we joined the league, they expected us to travel.

[NCAABound]

If Brown is fired, WSU will owe him $4 million and Marshall $4.5 million over the next 3+ years until Marshall is paid off in November, 2026. In addition, a new coach will most likely have to be paid at least as much as Brown is making. If Brown is fired after next year, the buyout is $1.375 million. I wouldn’t worry about the timing of the firing. WSU would notify him that his contract will be terminated on May 1, 2024.

The contract was obviously designed to give him 3 years to prove himself. We know that Boatwright was asleep on the job by ignoring NIL which contributed to the mass exodus last year. Saal indicated in a radio interview that the collective was about 1/2 way to where he wants it and indicated that he expected something significant in the next couple weeks. Does Brown deserve a year where he has what the AD considers to be competitive NIL to retain current players and recruit new ones to his team? I would expect that Saal is in communication with Armchair so that they are prepared to show the players, especially the key transfer eligible players, what they will be able to offer them.

I may be more risk averse than many here, but taking on an additional $4 million expense over the next 3 years that will be reduced by $2.625 million next year and if the team is successful won’t even be necessary isn’t something I would do unless I have a donor who is willing to foot the bill to fire Brown and to pay to buy the next coach out of his current contract. From what I have read, most seem to want a head coach that currently has a job with the exception that some would be happy with Turgeon. There is no guarantee of success for a new coach. If I was Saal, I would have to be pretty certain about who the next coach is going to be before I made the move. For every K-State, Missouri and Mississippi State who has had first year success, there is a Tulsa, Georgia and Louisville. There has also been a Cohen, Thompson and Smithson that never had success.

I wouldn’t be saying this if the play on the floor hadn’t improved as much as it did in the last 15 games. It went from very unpleasant to watch to pretty good. If you compare the first 15 to the last 15 games, here are some of the results. FG% from 41.6% to 48.3%. 2 point FG from 49.7% to 57.5%. 3 point FG from 29.1% to 32% which resulted in 1 fewer make on 30 fewer attempts. FT shooting from 68.2% to 73.9% with 5 more made per game on 5.5 more attempts. Assists were up 5.8 per game from 9.9 to 15.7 as were turnovers by 2.7, but the team went from about 1.5 less assists than turnovers to positive 1.5. Rebounding went from even to +4 per game. Scoring went up 12 points per game. This style of play should help in recruiting replacements for Porter and Rojas compared to what we were doing the last 3 years. In Marshall’s last year and Brown’s first 2 years, WSU’s FG% was less than 41% each year which I think is in the bottom 10%. To me, it appears that Brown has learned enough from his on the job training to warrant 1 more year to find out if he can build on the changes he has made.

I think the financial downside to keeping Brown one more year is less than the cost of firing him now. Fortunately, I think most of the downside has already happened. Brown has to have a good start to the season next year. No more Alcorn State’s. The largest crowd of this season was 8515 for Alcorn State. People will come even for unknown schools, but you can’t lay an egg early in the season because you won’t get them back. The biggest crowd at Koch after that was a little over 7500 for the last game at South Florida.

What are expectations? If you think any coach is going to match what Marshall did, I think you are going to be disappointed. Do I think Brown is the answer? No, probably not, but considering the cost of taking action now, I would do my best to help him succeed next year and be prepared to make a change if it doesn’t work out.

Holy cow lol

[wheathead]

My dear goodness, let this dark era of shocker basketball be over by tomorrow night.

[Aargh]

With the turnaround the team made mid-season there are going to be a significant number of fans (not on SN) supporting him. there are going to be fans who wanted to see him prove what he could do who will believe he demonstrated that he deserves another year.

Couple that with the financial situation and I believe the chances of his being retained another year are fairly high.

The negativity toward Brown from some posters is off the charts. He had no experience with handling two prima donnas in Etienne and Council and certainly handled that poorly. Put that together with no NIL and it's not surprising that a couple key players left for 6-figure NIL deals. Mo mentioned some issues that Brown needed to handle better, but didn't.

This year had a different look. The improvement in late season from early season was one of the best I've witnessed at WSU.

If IB and Armchair can hang on to the key players, I'm afraid those hating on IB will still want him gone even if he moves the team up in the standings, which would require a home run PG recruit.

[ShockerFever]

With the turnaround the team made mid-season there are going to be a significant number of fans (not on SN) supporting him. there are going to be fans who wanted to see him prove what he could do who will believe he demonstrated that he deserves another year.

Couple that with the financial situation and I believe the chances of his being retained another year are fairly high.

The negativity toward Brown from some posters is off the charts. He had no experience with handling two prima donnas in Etienne and Council and certainly handled that poorly. Put that together with no NIL and it's not surprising that a couple key players left for 6-figure NIL deals. Mo mentioned some issues that Brown needed to handle better, but didn't.

This year had a different look. The improvement in late season from early season was one of the best I've witnessed at WSU.

If IB and Armchair can hang on to the key players, I'm afraid those hating on IB will still want him gone even if he moves the team up in the standings, which would require a home run PG recruit.

So beating up on the likes of ECU, Tulsa, South Florida, and Temple warrants the best turnaround in WSU history? Does it say much considering we started from a spot losing home games to SWAC schools? Does that all of a sudden get wiped clean?

IB has no connections to the fanbase or big donors. Good luck with your constantly changing ideas.

[Aargh]

So beating up on the likes of ECU, Tulsa, South Florida, and Temple warrants the best turnaround in WSU history? Does it say much considering we started from a spot losing home games to SWAC schools? Does that all of a sudden get wiped clean?

IB has no connections to the fanbase or big donors. Good luck with your constantly changing ideas.

I throw out observations and sometimes how those observations may be viewed by those not on this board. I throw ideas out for discussion and have no problem if the ideas I throw out are wrong when other observations are offered.

I don't believe your disagreement negates the thought that a significant number of fans see the improvement this year. Going from losing to Alcorn State to beating Tulane and Temple on the road is significant.
Your contributions to this forum seem to be 95% just stacking s*** on other posters.

Criticism takes absolutely no intelligence. Observation and evaluation takes intelligence. Proposing thoughts for consideration tends to expose those who do not want ideas that disagree with theirs discussed.