Fred Van Vleet a Shocker Star

[Kung Wu]

But what excites me any more is that during the Shocker media day Fred very matter-of-factly stated that he is improved as a player since last year (as well as Ron and Tekele).

And Freddie the Duke of Juke Van Vleet is no self-aggrandizing dude, blind to his own limitations. He clearly recognizes his own weaknesses and limitations, understands the areas where he can improve (and focuses on them), and takes advantage of his strengths.

If the Duke says he has improved, he has improved.

[another shocker]

And Freddie the Duke of Juke Van Vleet is no self-aggrandizing dude, blind to his own limitations. He clearly recognizes his own weaknesses and limitations, understands the areas where he can improve (and focuses on them), and takes advantage of his strengths.

If the Duke says he has improved, he has improved.

i have no doubt that if wichita state is having one of those team-wide off nights, as all d-1 teams experience at some time during a season, fvv can and will score points as needed. no doubt.

but meanwhile, some people around the country are questioning his lowly 11.6 ppg average. look, any other school, and he would average 18 ppg. he's unstoppable, when he decides to be.

[WSUwatcher]

Always remember, another -- Fred's most important statistic last year wasn't his scoring, or A/TO ratio, or points per possession, or anything like that. It was 35-1, which is the stat he cares about most of all.

[jdshock]

but meanwhile, some people around the country are questioning his lowly 11.6 ppg average. look, any other school, and he would average 18 ppg. he's unstoppable, when he decides to be.

Anyone who says his offensive production is too low is just uninformed. We have not yet had a HCGM team in which one player averaged 20+. Even Cle didn't do that in the system we had last year. All of that considered, though, FVV was responsible for 20+ points a game last season if you take into account his assists. Which is absurd. It is hard to overstate the impact FVV has on our team.

[RoyalShock]

I don't know anything about "Tykes", but they did one for Fred, as well as Marcus Paige and Jahlil Okafor:

https://twitter.com/Tykeland/status/534903295178186752

https://twitter.com/Tykeland

[bighouse]

That's bad a$$

[wufan]

Fred is currently leading the nation in steals with 5.5 per contest.

[wufan]

Four games in and Fred is leading the MVC in assist (5:1 A:TO ratio) and steals (3.3). His 13.5 ppg puts him at #8. His 3.8 rpg is good enough for top 20. His 3 point FG is at 21%, so still quite a bit of ceiling left statistically for FVV.

[forevershockerfan]

Sometimes after a game, the stat sheet has some factors that jump off the page. Versus Tulsa, they had 11 total assists. Fred had 9 and Cotton had

4 and our Shocks had 18. The Shocks had 5 steals and Tulsa 0. Normally, the Tulsa foes this Season have been held to around 55 points and we scored

75 and held them to 55.We out-rebounded them by 12. Carter, Baker, and FVV combined for 54 points and Cotton added 6 more. This was a nice team win

versus a solid Tulsa team that will only improve this Season. The best of the best teams have solid leadership but back that up with quality depth. The 4 players

mentioned above will lead the way and we go 13 deep this Season of players that can help us be very successful. FVV makes lots of assists and very few turnovers.

Now that is a quarterback with leadership that makes a huge difference on the floor.

[1972Shocker]

“Point guards, to me, are just like starting pitchers and quarterbacks,” Marshall said. “They’re graded on whether the team wins.”

Well, then, VanVleet gets an A-plus-plus-plus because the Shockers are 39-1 in games he started.

Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/sports/spt-col...#storylink=cpy

[Rlh04d]

Four games in and Fred is leading the MVC in assist (5:1 A:TO ratio) and steals (3.3). His 13.5 ppg puts him at #8. His 3.8 rpg is good enough for top 20. His 3 point FG is at 21%, so still quite a bit of ceiling left statistically for FVV.

I was just looking at his stats. It's crazy that he's got those numbers and yet we can still tell that he's not playing his best basketball right now. Get his 3PT% and FT% back up to his normal levels and he would currently be averaging 16.25 points/game.

[wufan]

I was just looking at his stats. It's crazy that he's got those numbers and yet we can still tell that he's not playing his best basketball right now. Get his 3PT% and FT% back up to his normal levels and he would currently be averaging 16.25 points/game.

When I calcate this years shot attempts with last years percentages from the line and from deep, I come up with 15.25 PPG.

[Rlh04d]

When I calcate this years shot attempts with last years percentages from the line and from deep, I come up with 15.25 PPG.

Last season his 3PT% was 41.8% and his FT% was 83%. This year he's taken 14 3PT attempts and 21 FTs. Thus he would be averaging 5.852 made 3's this year and 17.43 made FTs. Instead he's at 3 and 15. So round up to 6 3PTs and down to 17 FTs, that's an extra 11 points (3*3, 2*1). He's at 54 points now, an extra 11 would bring him to 65 ... 65 divided by four games would bring him out to 16.25.

I'm not sure where you'd get 15.25 ... if we rounded 5.85 down to five, he'd still be at 15.5. If you don't round either way, he'd be at 16.24725 points/game ((15*2)[FGs]+(5.852*3)[3s]+(17.43*1)[FTs]).

Anyway ... at this point, statistically, he's only three 3's and two FT's behind where we'd normally expect him to be at. Those would get all of his %'s back to normal (his FG% overall would return to 48.8%). He's a long way from struggling.

[wufan]

Last season his 3PT% was 41.8% and his FT% was 83%. This year he's taken 14 3PT attempts and 21 FTs. Thus he would be averaging 5.852 made 3's this year and 17.43 made FTs. Instead he's at 3 and 15. So round up to 6 3PTs and down to 17 FTs, that's an extra 11 points (3*3, 2*1). He's at 54 points now, an extra 11 would bring him to 65 ... 65 divided by four games would bring him out to 16.25.

I'm not sure where you'd get 15.25 ... if we rounded 5.85 down to five, he'd still be at 15.5. If you don't round either way, he'd be at 16.24725 points/game ((15*2)[FGs]+(5.852*3)[3s]+(17.43*1)[FTs]).

Anyway ... at this point, statistically, he's only three 3's and two FT's behind where we'd normally expect him to be at. Those would get all of his %'s back to normal (his FG% overall would return to 48.8%). He's a long way from struggling.

Math is hard. Good work there!

[MadaboutWu]

I've made a similar point in another context but part of the lower shooting percentage is very likely missing Cle letting defenses focus more on him. There is also a lot of variance over a small sample size.