This is how you win the MVC DPOY award:

[The Mad Hatter]

This has nothing to do with winning and losing. I'm not blinded by my hate of CU and Echinique. Forearms to the chest happen all the time if you want to believe it or not. To us and by us.

I'm amused.

And for the record, if something were called it wouldn't be a T. It was a live play and would be an intentional foul of some kind.

But it wasn't that either.

As I said above, my problem is that I don't think it was an average forearm to the chest. It was a forearm aimed at the throat rather than the middle of the chest and appeared to be intentionally aimed at the throat.

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[shoxlax]

If Garrett did that in a Valley game, the way MVC officials treat him, he would be jailed and subsequently chemically castrated so he could never sire little Stutzes.

[1972Shocker]

If Garrett did that in a Valley game, the way MVC officials treat him, he would be jailed and subsequently chemically castrated so he could never sire little Stutzes.

Are you sure they would use chemicals?

[SHOXAAC]

This basketball move 00 made was highlighted on both ESPN's "Pardon the Interruption" and "Around the Horn" yesterday. So yea, Sub, I would say it happens all the time. lol

[another shocker]

They tried to rough up the Shockers in Wichita too ('tape that ISUR studied, by the way). That's why Wichita State decimated Creighton in Omaha. Payback's a b*tch.

[SubGod22]

If he didn't flop, nobody would be talking about it.

[SHOXAAC]

If he didn't flop, nobody would be talking about it.

Flop my a$$...When a Goliath of a man like 00 stares you down and delivers an extended cross armed shiver to the neck/chin area, even a 7-footer is going down.

To brush up on your flop definition...see the "How To Flop" video by UNI.

[SubGod22]

I rewatched the video. Point of contact was in the chest. When Zeller flopped, his arms flew up and moved Echiniques up as well. There was nothing wrong with what he did. Zeller just isn't a good enough actor to get the call from the officials.

[SHOXAAC]

I rewatched the video. Point of contact was in the chest. When Zeller flopped, his arms flew up and moved Echiniques up as well. There was nothing wrong with what he did. Zeller just isn't a good enough actor to get the call from the officials.

Watch the video 100 more times

take a break

Watch it again another 100 times

...and then watch it another 100 times

The result...the officials still blew it. Hey it happens from time to time (insert Grant Gibbs wink).

[Walker Schwartz]

I rewatched the video. Point of contact was in the chest. When Zeller flopped, his arms flew up and moved Echiniques up as well. There was nothing wrong with what he did. Zeller just isn't a good enough actor to get the call from the officials.

You are the Skip Bayless of Shockernet.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Echineque's shot was not to the throat or the head. It was to the upper torso. Honestly, if it would have been called a foul, I wouldn't have argued, but you can't call it a head shot.

One thing that is missing from the analysis when looking at one particular play in isolation is how the game had been called up to that point. The refs were allowing a lot of physical play throughout the game, which is a trend that is seen throughout NCAA tourney games. Zeller flopped several other times in the game and, to be perfectly honest, I think his propensity for flopping all through the game (none of which were called fouls BTW) colored the officials view of this particular play. In other words, they had simply grown tired off all of Zeller's flopping.

One other thing that I've never seen explained is why Zeller was running down court right at Echenique in the first place. If a seven footer is running right at you, I suspect the natural body reflex is to put your arms up.

One other thing - somebody said the contact was for zero purpose, he wasn't trying to box out, etc. That is not true. The shot had already gone up and GE was trying to establish position (box out) for a potential rebound. Perhaps because the ball ended up going through the rim, the poster missed this fact. I don't know how a player would know which shots will go in and which won't and there is not a successful coach on this earth that would suggest his rebounders wait until after the shot hits the rim and bounces off before starting to get position for a rebound.

[_kai_]

Echineque's shot was not to the throat or the head. It was to the upper torso. Honestly, if it would have been called a foul, I wouldn't have argued, but you can't call it a head shot.

One thing that is missing from the analysis when looking at one particular play in isolation is how the game had been called up to that point. The refs were allowing a lot of physical play throughout the game, which is a trend that is seen throughout NCAA tourney games. Zeller flopped several other times in the game and, to be perfectly honest, I think his propensity for flopping all through the game (none of which were called fouls BTW) colored the officials view of this particular play. In other words, they had simply grown tired off all of Zeller's flopping.

One other thing that I've never seen explained is why Zeller was running down court right at Echenique in the first place. If a seven footer is running right at you, I suspect the natural body reflex is to put your arms up.

One other thing - somebody said the contact was for zero purpose, he wasn't trying to box out, etc. That is not true. The shot had already gone up and GE was trying to establish position (box out) for a potential rebound. Perhaps because the ball ended up going through the rim, the poster missed this fact. I don't know how a player would know which shots will go in and which won't and there is not a successful coach on this earth that would suggest his rebounders wait until after the shot hits the rim and bounces off before starting to get position for a rebound.

You'd think a veteran of basketball like GE would know that when you box out, you do it with your back to the defender, and face to the goal, so you can see where the rebound goes.... I must not understand boxing out, I guess.

Also, your last 2 paragraphs are contradictory. He is either protecting himself from a 7 foot Zeller running at him, which would explain the face to face contact, or he's trying to box out. Which is it?

[SubGod22]

You'd think a veteran of basketball like GE would know that when you box out, you do it with your back to the defender, and face to the goal, so you can see where the rebound goes.... I must not understand boxing out, I guess.

Do you not watch a lot of basketball? Again, Garrett boxes out like that a lot. As has Hall and White. You see it a lot. Normally it's too keep a certain guy off the ball and allow a teammate to rebound.

[_kai_]

Do you not watch a lot of basketball? Again, Garrett boxes out like that a lot. As has Hall and White. You see it a lot. Normally it's too keep a certain guy off the ball and allow a teammate to rebound.

I just own a basketball website, and run this website. I don't watch any basketball at all. I've never even played it. It's the game where you kick the ball in a rectangle shape with a net at the back, right?

[1972Shocker]

You'd think a veteran of basketball like GE would know that when you box out, you do it with your back to the defender, and face to the goal, so you can see where the rebound goes.... I must not understand boxing out, I guess.

Yeah, @kai: but you must admit that Zellars made a nonbasketball move by running down court to try to get to the offensive boards. Obviously #00 was totally shocked by such a tactic and simply had to defend himself.