This is how you win the MVC DPOY award:

[_kai_]

Do you not watch a lot of basketball? Again, Garrett boxes out like that a lot. As has Hall and White. You see it a lot. Normally it's too keep a certain guy off the ball and allow a teammate to rebound.

I googled this thing called boxing out, and found a great website called www.coachesclipboard.net.

I'll quote the excerpt for boxing out.

"Box Out!"
All players must learn this skill, as much as any other skill in the game. Even the perimeter players (guards) must box out. Oftentimes, the missed three-point shot will result in a long rebound that our guards should get if they box-out properly. Also, we don’t want the opponent’s guards slipping inside for the inside rebound and put-back.
When you box out, you must first make contact with the player you are guarding. Locate your man, get in front of him/her,pivot facing the basket, bend over, get wide with your feet and arms out, and put your backside into the offensive player, sealing him/her away from the hoop. Be aggressive, and don't let the offensive player push you under the basket. If you get too far under the basket, a taller opponent with long arms can simply outreach you for the ball. Keep your man away from the hoop. Keep your eye on the ball flight, and go get it!

Who woulda thunk it?

In case I'm told that one source isn't enough for how to box out, I went to ehow.com, the leading source on basketball moves.



They say you're supposed to face the basket too.

[1972Shocker]

When you box out, you must first make contact with the player you are guarding.

Obviously, GE was just taking this step before pivoting and you have to admit he did that very well.

[Flutapotamus]

Focus on the actual point of the what happend...GE shoves a player and is NOT making a basketball play at all.

If Carl Hall makes this same "box out" as our Creighton "friend" here is saying next year in Omaha on Douglas i'll be the first one to call it a dirty play and the Creighton faithful will be screaming to rooftops that we play dirty.

Whoever said it was a head shot was wrong, it was a two arm shove for no reason. GE was obviously frustrated with how they were getting worked like a part time job and reacts by making a dirty non basketball move, which makes him look like a dirty player...See Pardon the Interuption, Jay Bilas, ect.....

[DoubleJayAlum]

Focus on the actual point of the what happend...GE shoves a player and is NOT making a basketball play at all.

If Carl Hall makes this same "box out" as our Creighton "friend" here is saying next year in Omaha on Douglas i'll be the first one to call it a dirty play and the Creighton faithful will be screaming to rooftops that we play dirty. .

I'd be willing to wager that during our games next year, there will be instances when Hall or somebody else pushes someone with both hands after a shot goes up. Subgod is right in that it does happens repeatedly in every game. The difference is that usually the player doesn't flop like Zeller did. Let's be honest here - if Zeller doesn't flop, nobody is even calling for a foul here. The flop makes it look much more violent than it really was. That being said, I did say that if it had been called a foul, I wouldn't have complained.

GE was obviously frustrated with how they were getting worked like a part time job ...

It was a five point game at the time.

[SHOXAAC]

Echineque's shot was not to the throat or the head. It was to the upper torso. Honestly, if it would have been called a foul, I wouldn't have argued, but you can't call it a head shot.

One thing that is missing from the analysis when looking at one particular play in isolation is how the game had been called up to that point. The refs were allowing a lot of physical play throughout the game, which is a trend that is seen throughout NCAA tourney games. Zeller flopped several other times in the game and, to be perfectly honest, I think his propensity for flopping all through the game (none of which were called fouls BTW) colored the officials view of this particular play. In other words, they had simply grown tired off all of Zeller's flopping.

One other thing that I've never seen explained is why Zeller was running down court right at Echenique in the first place. If a seven footer is running right at you, I suspect the natural body reflex is to put your arms up.

One other thing - somebody said the contact was for zero purpose, he wasn't trying to box out, etc. That is not true. The shot had already gone up and GE was trying to establish position (box out) for a potential rebound. Perhaps because the ball ended up going through the rim, the poster missed this fact. I don't know how a player would know which shots will go in and which won't and there is not a successful coach on this earth that would suggest his rebounders wait until after the shot hits the rim and bounces off before starting to get position for a rebound.

If that makes you sleep better (insert Grant Gibbs wink).

[1972Shocker]

What did Creighton Coach Greg McDermott have to say about Echenique's foul on Zeller:

http://www.news-record.com/blog/56101/entry/139806

McDermott had a meeting with Echenique, he told (Roy) Williams, in which he showed the center the tape and told him the play was "unacceptable."

Good for Coach McDermott.

[SHOXAAC]

Echineque's shot was not to the throat or the head. It was to the upper torso. Honestly, if it would have been called a foul, I wouldn't have argued, but you can't call it a head shot.

One thing that is missing from the analysis when looking at one particular play in isolation is how the game had been called up to that point. The refs were allowing a lot of physical play throughout the game, which is a trend that is seen throughout NCAA tourney games. Zeller flopped several other times in the game and, to be perfectly honest, I think his propensity for flopping all through the game (none of which were called fouls BTW) colored the officials view of this particular play. In other words, they had simply grown tired off all of Zeller's flopping.

One other thing that I've never seen explained is why Zeller was running down court right at Echenique in the first place. If a seven footer is running right at you, I suspect the natural body reflex is to put your arms up.

One other thing - somebody said the contact was for zero purpose, he wasn't trying to box out, etc. That is not true. The shot had already gone up and GE was trying to establish position (box out) for a potential rebound. Perhaps because the ball ended up going through the rim, the poster missed this fact. I don't know how a player would know which shots will go in and which won't and there is not a successful coach on this earth that would suggest his rebounders wait until after the shot hits the rim and bounces off before starting to get position for a rebound.

At least SubGod has a credible ally on this side.

[_kai_]

What did Creighton Coach Greg McDermott have to say about Echenique's foul on Zeller:

http://www.news-record.com/blog/56101/entry/139806

Good for Coach McDermott.

I guess our esteemed basketball colleague, subgod, should go tell Greg McD that his basketball knowledge is subpar, and that GE should be commended for his successful box out.

[Flutapotamus]

HAHA "trying to establish position" uhhhhh sure.
Boxing out requires you to look back to get a hip on someone, not to shove them with two arms. CU fan would cry rape if any player from any team did this to them and it was not called. But like SHOXMVC said, justify it the way you and the rest of CUnderground want so you don't have to feel bad about the way your player acted but the reasonable basketball viewer see's that as a dirty play which gets him labeled as a dirty player. Hey it could be worse though, he's not on P. Allen's level......yet.

btw, it was a seven point game because while GE was busy shoving stick boy to the ground Marshall hit a jumper. 7 points = 7$ an hr = part-time job

[Kung Wu]

Dudes. Zeller did NOT flop. He was running to get in position to grab a board but then noticed BreakAKneeKay's watermelon sized head and he tried to stop his motion out of shear terror. Unfortunately for seven footers inertia is a real *****. During his moment of terror, when he snaps back his upper torso momentarily detaches from the lower half of his body at around T-7 spinal vertebrate, so his legs kept running like a chicken with its head cut off. Fortunately the elasticity of his spine is such that T-7 snapped back into place and the nerves were no longer temporarily stretched to the point of paralysis.

Also when he hit the floor his brain jelly wiggled just enough to erase about 30 seconds of memory so he was able to get up without any embarrasment or future fear of watermelon.

[SHOXAAC]

Dudes. Zeller did NOT flop. He was running to get in position to grab a board but then noticed BreakAKneeKay's watermelon sized head and he tried to stop his motion out of shear terror. Unfortunately for seven footers inertia is a real *****. During his moment of terror, when he snaps back his upper torso momentarily detaches from the lower half of his body at around T-7 spinal vertebrate, so his legs kept running like a chicken with its head cut off. Fortunately the elasticity of his spine is such that T-7 snapped back into place and the nerves were no longer temporarily stretched to the point of paralysis.

Also when he hit the floor his brain jelly wiggled just enough to erase about 30 seconds of memory so he was able to get up without any embarrasment or future fear of watermelon.

You took the words (exactly I might add) right out of my finger tips.

[ShockerFever]

I may be slightly skewed on the subject, but I think GE is a dirty punk, especially when he's wearing a hideous sCUmmy uniform. It just all adds up to yuckiness.

Again, pardon my potentially biased viewpoint.

[SubGod22]

I googled this thing called boxing out, and found a great website called www.coachesclipboard.net.

I'll quote the excerpt for boxing out.



Who woulda thunk it?

In case I'm told that one source isn't enough for how to box out, I went to ehow.com, the leading source on basketball moves.



They say you're supposed to face the basket too.

That's how they teach it to kids. But that's not always how it's done. EVEN BY OUR OWN PLAYERS.

[SubGod22]

What did Creighton Coach Greg McDermott have to say about Echenique's foul on Zeller:

http://www.news-record.com/blog/56101/entry/139806

Good for Coach McDermott.

Considering the bad publicity going around because of the flop, of course he's going to say that to Williams. I doubt he really means it.

No flop, no story.

[_kai_]

Considering the bad publicity going around because of the flop, of course he's going to say that to Williams. I doubt he really means it.

No flop, no story.

Thank God you didn't live 500 years ago, because if someone were to tell you the earth was round, you'd probably burn them at the stake.