Wichita State at Cincinnati Game Thread 2-17-22

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

I like Porter and agree he's the best we have, but I wish he had a speed other than slow.

[ShockRef]

Shocks are just a lower AAC tier team.
Not a lot of AAC level talent there, excluding Council and Porter. Pohto has big time potential and if he stays, will benefit tremendously with a full year of Rosenberg.
I've got the real word on Ricks and he can play at this level.
Abidde is an absolute unknown. May be another Bilau, may be another Rashard Kelly. Who knows.
I do know this - I said years ago that Udeze was Valley level (at best) player and no one should have been surprised after he entered the portal - and got no takers.
Duh!
The staff pursuing Pleasant is an absolute head scratcher. Are you telling me they watched him play @ ACU and said "Oh yea, he can handle the low post guys in the AAC."
Jeezus.
Same with Grant. Who ever is doing the talent evaluation on this staff needs to be demoted to floor sweeping and washing jock straps.

Based on remaining schedule, they may win a couple more, which basically puts them on the same level with ECU.
Who guessed that before the season started?
They will be playing on Thursday - may even win a game. But it will be a short stay and home in time to watch 'The Show' on the tube.
And then the off season starts - which will be anything but boring.

That is all.

[TrackSuitAndTie]

Shocks are just a lower AAC tier team.

I do know this - I said years ago that Udeze was Valley level (at best) player

I've noted this before on here, but I find it hilarious that Mo's best game ever was against a MVC team (Drake). Mo would dominate in the MVC but struggles against the upper tier of the AAC.

[Maizerunner08]

Shocks are just a lower AAC tier team.
Not a lot of AAC level talent there, excluding Council and Porter. Pohto has big time potential and if he stays, will benefit tremendously with a full year of Rosenberg.
I've got the real word on Ricks and he can play at this level.
Abidde is an absolute unknown. May be another Bilau, may be another Rashard Kelly. Who knows.
I do know this - I said years ago that Udeze was Valley level (at best) player and no one should have been surprised after he entered the portal - and got no takers.
Duh!
The staff pursuing Pleasant is an absolute head scratcher. Are you telling me they watched him play @ ACU and said "Oh yea, he can handle the low post guys in the AAC."
Jeezus.
Same with Grant. Who ever is doing the talent evaluation on this staff needs to be demoted to floor sweeping and washing jock straps.

Based on remaining schedule, they may win a couple more, which basically puts them on the same level with ECU.
Who guessed that before the season started?
They will be playing on Thursday - may even win a game. But it will be a short stay and home in time to watch 'The Show' on the tube.
And then the off season starts - which will be anything but boring.

That is all.

The scary part is recruiting is most likely not getting any better. We might look back in a few years and wish we had the team this season. In other words, I'm not sure we've hit rock bottom in terms of talent. I hope I'm wrong though.

[pinstripers]

The scary part is recruiting is most likely not getting any better. We might look back in a few years and wish we had the team this season. In other words, I'm not sure we've hit rock bottom in terms of talent. I hope I'm wrong though.

God I hope so, but I fear not

[BostonWu]

Dude is out of his freaking mind. Porter and RCiV are about the only watchable things about this team at this point. He runs the point very well and is a high caliber PG. Plus he does intangibles that a PG at WSU has not done in quite some time. How many break away layups has he saved this year by sprinting back the other way and blocking a shot? It literally seems like one a game.

While I agree Porter is a lone bright spot this season let's not get carried away. High caliber PG? He's along the lines of Demetric Williams and on a good team would have a similar role. I can think of a handful of GM PGs from the past that I would more likely label high caliber PG.

[Dan]

While I agree Porter is a lone bright spot this season let's not get carried away. High caliber PG? He's along the lines of Demetric Williams and on a good team would have a similar role. I can think of a handful of GM PGs from the past that I would more likely label high caliber PG.

Agree on Porter. Really solid guy that can do a lot of things, but to be a high caliber PG you gotta have a higher gear and a better shot. We have too many "solid guys" and not enough high talent guys

[Shock Top]

In terms of keeping players, I would rank them:

Super High Priority
1. RCIV
2. Pohto

High Priority
3. Porter

Would Really Love to Have Back Priority
4. Dexter



I won’t rank the rest, but I have some thoughts

- I’m not counting the RS players (JR and IA), since I assume they will be staying put.
- I assume TE and MU will move on, and it probably good for all parties.
- MJ has the motor, but he’s too uncontrolled and HCIB doesn’t seem to be the right coach to rein him in; so he probably needs to move on.
- CJ may have potential and has provided a spark lately, but he’s not quit ready. If he sticks around, groovy; but won’t be shocked or devastated if he looks elsewhere.
- QG and JP are absolute WHIFFS. Sure fHCGM had some stickers in his day, but this had to be the worst recruiting class since his first season.*

In other words, this roster needs A LOT of work.



* = I will amend this statement if JR and/or IA prove to be studs, but I going 0/2 on guys playing this season is a horrible start to your reign as HC.

[WstateU]

Shocks are just a lower AAC tier team.
Not a lot of AAC level talent there, excluding Council and Porter. Pohto has big time potential and if he stays, will benefit tremendously with a full year of Rosenberg.
I've got the real word on Ricks and he can play at this level.
Abidde is an absolute unknown. May be another Bilau, may be another Rashard Kelly. Who knows.
I do know this - I said years ago that Udeze was Valley level (at best) player and no one should have been surprised after he entered the portal - and got no takers.
Duh!
The staff pursuing Pleasant is an absolute head scratcher. Are you telling me they watched him play @ ACU and said "Oh yea, he can handle the low post guys in the AAC."
Jeezus.
Same with Grant. Who ever is doing the talent evaluation on this staff needs to be demoted to floor sweeping and washing jock straps.

Based on remaining schedule, they may win a couple more, which basically puts them on the same level with ECU.
Who guessed that before the season started?
They will be playing on Thursday - may even win a game. But it will be a short stay and home in time to watch 'The Show' on the tube.
And then the off season starts - which will be anything but boring.

That is all.

"Just like salad"...

[BOBB]

The scary part is recruiting is most likely not getting any better. We might look back in a few years and wish we had the team this season. In other words, I'm not sure we've hit rock bottom in terms of talent. I hope I'm wrong though.

They say it's always darkest before it gets really really dark.

[ShockTalk]

Who are these high caliber guys we've had in the past?

Fred is a once in 20+ year type player, if not way better than that.

Are we talking about senior Ragland or junior Ragland who was a starter both years?

Are we talking about senior Hannah or junior Hannah who was a starter both years?

Shamet was talented enough to make the NBA, but not as a PG.

Does Porter have an equal cast of players the above have had?

Does Porter have a reasonably equal Head Coach as the above?

I'm not trying to over-hype Porter, but I'm not going to dismiss what he is doing this year with a ragtag team and coach.

If you look at the numbers, Porter is blowing Gilbert away. AG got his accolades because of where the team finished***, his history with UConn, and being a higher scoring PG even if his numbers didn't agree with him shooting that much.

CP: 41.1 / 37.1 / 77.1, 2:1 A/TO, and being only 6'2" 4.8 Rpg, and 1.0 blocks per game (that's tied for the lead on this team).

[WstateU]

They say it's always darkest before it gets really really dark.

Dark Lord

[asiseeit]

Agree that RC, KP and CP are our highest priorities in that order.
Hope Ricks as good as Kennedy and Hull have said he is. I'd take
DD back in a heartbeat. He is a good influence on other team mates
while TE and MU just have bad habits that should never be copied by
anyone. Have to get 2-3 quality transfers - a BIG shot blocking center,
a BIG PF, a dead eye SG and of course another PG

[shock]

Who are these high caliber guys we've had in the past?

Fred is a once in 20+ year type player, if not way better than that.

Are we talking about senior Ragland or junior Ragland who was a starter both years?

Are we talking about senior Hannah or junior Hannah who was a starter both years?

Shamet was talented enough to make the NBA, but not as a PG.

Does Porter have an equal cast of players the above have had?

Does Porter have a reasonably equal Head Coach as the above?

I'm not trying to over-hype Porter, but I'm not going to dismiss what he is doing this year with a ragtag team and coach.

If you look at the numbers, Porter is blowing Gilbert away. AG got his accolades because of where the team finished***, his history with UConn, and being a higher scoring PG even if his numbers didn't agree with him shooting that much.

CP: 41.1 / 37.1 / 77.1, 2:1 A/TO, and being only 6'2" 4.8 Rpg, and 1.0 blocks per game (that's tied for the lead on this team).

MB, CH, JR, MA, FVV. All high caliber PG under Marshall. Porter is a better PG than DW, RB, GM, but not as good as the afore mentioned.

[BostonWu]

Agree that RC, KP and CP are our highest priorities in that order.
Hope Ricks as good as Kennedy and Hull have said he is. I'd take
DD back in a heartbeat. He is a good influence on other team mates
while TE and MU just have bad habits that should never be copied by
anyone. Have to get 2-3 quality transfers - a BIG shot blocking center,
a BIG PF, a dead eye SG and of course another PG

Easy peasy