Wichita State at Oklahoma State Game Thread 12-1-21

[ShockerFever]

Not sure how many have sold, but doubt KSU brings more fans. They are a football school. Just thinking to myself that the empty seats at Koch will be filled at Intrust.

Of course, maybe those empty seats aren't empty for KSU @ Koch.... who knows.

Lot of bandwagon KSU fans around though. Will be there mostly talking about their Weedwhacker Bowl invite.

[SubGod22]

Plus 30 with Council IV on floor, minus 16 with Pleasant.

Pretty obvious why we seem to start every game and second half slow.

I think I saw a Taylor E Tweet about being minus 21 when C4 was on the bench.

[Shockm]

The offensive woes can be cleaned up simply by shaking up the starting lineup and the player combinations used throughout the game. Step 1 - replace Joe P. with either Jackson or Council and shift the positions accordingly.

Maybe the starting lineup needs to change, but I'm not sold that is the answer. The obvious combinations were changed last night already because Joe P. only played 7-8 minutes. JP's probably going to play 7-8 minutes whether they change the starting lineup or not, and JP probably won't be in the lineup at the end of the game unless there is foul trouble to a couple of players.

The only player that isn't getting very much playing time who may deserve it, is Chaunce, and he doesn't play the same position at Joe. I'm not sure whose playing time Chaunce would take, but TE's playing time probably isn't going to change right away. Ricky's emergence to a play maker that the defense needs to pay attention to, will help TE some as we go on. I was really impressed with Likele's defense last night, and he went to guard RC4 at the end of the game.

[shoxlax]

Lot of bandwagon KSU fans around though. Will be there mostly talking about their Weedwhacker Bowl invite.

If it is like baseball they will have more fans there Sunday than they do at their own home games.

Clod with be there with his purple mask on.

[Shockm]

MVP last night was Udeze. When he got a good pass, he did good things with it. When he got a bad pass, he struggled, understandably so. But he made the defense guard him.

Also, don’t go putting that evil on him about those two Porter Turnovers. First one he stopped. If he continues, he gets the ball deep under the basket with Cisse in prime position. Second one he was turning to box out as it should have been a kick out for 3.

Mo needs to learn how the handle the ball in all situations. He wasn't a TO machine last night, but he should be able to improve even more. If Cisse is on him deep, in a position he cannot succed from, he needs to be able to read that and get the ball to someone else w/o turning it over. Passers, imo, shouldn't have to read where Mo is ahead of their passes to protect him from himself.

OSU wasn't double teaming Mo last night because they thought they didn't need to. Mo should be able to read double teams and also read teams who don't double team him.

[Shockm]

If it is like baseball they will have more fans there Sunday than they do at their own home games.

Clod with be there with his purple mask on.

Wichita area KSU fans will be there and there are more than just a few of them. If Wichita Wildcat fans come in droves, they will number 3-5 Thousand.

[shoxlax]

Amen to that. You could watch it all unfold from the stands. Then, there it is.......the ball arrives at the same time he hits his spot for 2 (or 3).

He's a player opponent's fans loved to hate, but I could only hate to love. He and that offense were stone-cold killers.

Jamaal is a very intelligent guy. Always thought he would be a good Director of Player Development somewhere.

[TheShocktocles]

Mo needs to learn how the handle the ball in all situations. He wasn't a TO machine last night, but he should be able to improve even more. If Cisse is on him deep, in a position he cannot succed from, he needs to be able to read that and get the ball to someone else w/o turning it over. Passers, imo, shouldn't have to read where Mo is ahead of their passes to protect him from himself.

OSU wasn't double teaming Mo last night because they thought they didn't need to. Mo should be able to read double teams and also read teams who don't double team him.

Amen.

[forevershockerfan]

Many of us were concerned with Cisse after he had 12 points and 10 r.b. and 0 turnovers against us last Season playing for Memphis. In that same game M. Udeze had 10 pts. 3 rb and 3 TO's.
Last night Cisse was 4pts. and 5 rb. and Udeze 13 pts. 4 rb and 0 turnovers. Containing Cisse was huge.

Here are some interesting overall stats. Shocks have 81 assists and 103 turnovers. Both of these stats obviously need to improve. Udeze leads our team with 39 rb's followed by Porter with 37. Grant leads us in steals with 12 followed by Council with 11. Porter is 3rd in blocked shots following Udeze and DD.

We should be able to improve our shooting % when our offense catches up to our defense, Our free throw % needs to improve now or it will come back to haunt us. I'll hang up and listen.

[ShoxRoxMySox]

Kstate and Weber do not respect us. They are constantly putting our team down and our league. That is all I hear up here. Power 5 this Power 5 that. It would be a good time for the Shocks to finally play two good halves. Shocks can't let those guys shoot wide open 3 pointers and drive to the cup. Can any shocker player stay in front of his man? . Go Shocks.

If Weber doesn't respect our program by now, it only further proves how mediocre of a coach he is.

[Shockm]

Are you seriously gonna keep arguing this? You think OSU is a tournament team? Based on what? Michigan was ranked 4th in the preseason. How’s that working out?

2017-18 we started with a higher baseline. Surely you understand how that works right? We also had superb metrics that year. That helped. Oh and we lost the conference by a point and beat a Top 5 team on the road. That sort of helps… I guess you’re banking on that for us this year.

Just stop arguing with me just for the sake of arguing with me.

I'm not sure how good OSU will end up. Why are so sure that OSU is that much worse than last year? Just because Cade Clemons isn't there this year? That may help them in the long run. Some of their returning players are better than last year.

Here is last year's conference finish. OSU was 5th.

Baylor	13-1	0.929	6-0	7-1	W3	28-2	0.933	11-0	7-1	10-1	W6
Kansas	12-6	0.667	8-1	4-5	W1	21-9	0.700	13-1	4-6	4-2	L1
Texas	11-6	0.647	5-4	6-2	W2	19-8	0.704	8-5	6-2	5-1	L1
West Virginia	11-6	0.647	5-4	6-2	L1	19-10	0.655	10-5	7-2	2-3	L1
Oklahoma State	11-7	0.611	6-3	5-4	W1	21-9	0.700	10-3	8-4	3-2	L1
Texas Tech	9-8	0.529	5-4	4-4	L1	18-11	0.621	11-4	5-4	2-3	L1
Oklahoma	9-8	0.529	5-3	4-5	L4	16-11	0.593	10-3	4-6	2-2	L1
TCU	5-11	0.313	2-6	3-5	L3	12-14	0.462	7-7	3-6	2-1	L4
Kansas State	4-14	0.222	2-7	2-7	W1	9-20	0.310	6-12	2-7	1-1	L1
Iowa State	0-18	0.

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

Great road win.

RCIV looked to drive and dish more in this game and I was glad to see that. He seemed to pick and choose his opportunities to take his shot or pass. Overall, he had a great game.

This team is SOOOO much better with Porter running the point, and it's not even close. Grant might get there eventually but Porter should be getting the lions share of the minutes. It was night and day at about the 9 minute mark of the second half when Porter came in and ran the offense and the Shox went on a run to seal the deal.

Likele and the pokes played tremendous defense on TE all game. Luckily it was recognized in the second half and TE basically acted as a decoy in the corner while Council took over.

Credit where credit is due, MU looked much better in the paint in this game. Still had a couple of oopsy with bringing the ball too high and Cisse snaked it, but overall much more aggressive and better.

[AZ Shocker]

Maybe someone can help me out here...

If I heard the announcers correctly last night...they mentioned something about Coach Isaac Brown was tied with best win-loss record to start his head coaching career with I believe they said Gary Thompson. They went on to say that that former Shocker coach (Thompson?) got to that amount of wins by defeating.......wait for it..........Oklahoma St.

Did I hear that correctly. If so a big time congratulations to Coach Isaac Brown for breaking (or tying???) that record last night!!!!!

[Horn28Clem30]

I'm not sure how good OSU will end up. Why are so sure that OSU is that much worse than last year? Just because Cade Clemons isn't there this year? That may help them in the long run. Some of their returning players are better than last year.

Here is last year's conference finish. OSU was 5th.

Baylor	13-1	0.929	6-0	7-1	W3	28-2	0.933	11-0	7-1	10-1	W6
Kansas	12-6	0.667	8-1	4-5	W1	21-9	0.700	13-1	4-6	4-2	L1
Texas	11-6	0.647	5-4	6-2	W2	19-8	0.704	8-5	6-2	5-1	L1
West Virginia	11-6	0.647	5-4	6-2	L1	19-10	0.655	10-5	7-2	2-3	L1
Oklahoma State	11-7	0.611	6-3	5-4	W1	21-9	0.700	10-3	8-4	3-2	L1
Texas Tech	9-8	0.529	5-4	4-4	L1	18-11	0.621	11-4	5-4	2-3	L1
Oklahoma	9-8	0.529	5-3	4-5	L4	16-11	0.593	10-3	4-6	2-2	L1
TCU	5-11	0.313	2-6	3-5	L3	12-14	0.462	7-7	3-6	2-1	L4
Kansas State	4-14	0.222	2-7	2-7	W1	9-20	0.310	6-12	2-7	1-1	L1
Iowa State	0-18	0.

*Cunningham....and please explain how not having the #1 pick in the draft could ever make a team better!?

[1972Shocker]

Obviously, the first 7 minutes of the 2nd half was not good for the Shocker offense. But they did score 29 points over the final 13 minutes of the half. That is scoring at an 89 point per 40 minute game pace.

So what changed or how did that come about. So I went back to watch those final 13 minutes to look at this more closely. Here is how it went down:

12:50 Qua Grant drives down the left side of the lane, draws help from the 5 and dishes off to Kenny Photo for a dunk.

12:18 RCIV drops down to help on the OSU 5 and makes a clean steal, dives the length of the court down the right side, comes across the baseline, draws the defenders and dishes off to Monzy for a layup.

10:17 RCIV with a nice change of direction, change of pace move drives the left side of the lane, draws the defense to him and dumps the ball off to Mo for an and 1 lefty layup that Mo converts. This was a 4 pass possession.

9:30 Mo gets the post on the left block with his defender on his back. Mo makes is move his left but instead of forcing a well defended shot he hits RCIV in the left corner for a wide open 3 that Ricky drained.

7:52 Craig Porter skies for a rebound on a missed OSU rebound then from the top of the right side of the top of the key lays a dime on Mo who made a nice back cut off of a RCIV screen on a nice set play for another Mo layup.

6:50 RCIV gets the ball on the left wing, drives across the lane to the block on the right side of the lane, makes a right reverse pivot, goes up for a shot drawing two defenders then drops it off to Mo for another easy layup.

At this point that's 14 points after the opening drought. 4 baskets coming from Triple D's (Drive, Draw, Dish), one post kick-out and one well executed set play with 5 of the 6 baskets layups or dunks. The Shocks recorded an assist on all 6 of these baskets.

5:57 Craig Porter with a strong drive from the left side of the top of the key down the right side of the lane for another layup. No assist non this one but RCIV and Mo both provided nice screens on what looked like another designed play.

5:25 RCIV on an baseline inbounds play takes it to the left block, makes to pump fakes (Barry Hinson's wife would have been proud) and banks in a 4 footer over taller defenders giving the Shocks a 49-48 lead.

4:00 Ricky had another nice steal at the top of the key but could not get the ball under control and OSU knocked the ball out of bounds under the Shocker basket. On the inbounds play Porter hit Ricky just left of the key and just inside the three point line. Ricky made a very nice step back move and knocked down another 3 pointer.

2:00 Ricky makes a strong move from the right wing to the free thow line, gets Likekele in air with a good pump fake (Barry's wife smiling again) and then raises above him to hit the mid-range jumper.

1:15 Ricky with an ISO play blew by Likekele from the right wing with a nice crossover all the way to the rim for an easy layup. Mo with a nice block out on Cisse to keep him away from the rim.

Porter, RCIV and Dexter then went to the free throw line in the final minute but only made 2 of 5 including RCIV badly missing the front end of a one and one to leave the door open for OSU but the Cowboys could not take advantage.

0:08 Tyson closed out the scoring with a put back of a missed layup on a break away by RCIV (looked like he was going for the dunk then changed his mind in flight). Don't think RCIV will get an assist on that one.

That stretch from the 12:50 mark to the 6:50 mark was really very nice basketball and should be shown over and over again to this team.

After that a really strong 5 minute stretch from RCIV carried the Shocks down the stretch.

A few plays in their that weren't great but generally pretty good execution by the Shocks on the offensive end in the final 13 minutes. Certainly good enough with the Shocks holding OSU to 3 free throws over the find 6 minutes of the game. More than good enough to win a lot of games with the way the Shocks defend. Free throws are called Free for a reason. Need to cash those in.

I am hopeful a few light bulbs were switched on during the final 13 minutes of this game.