Masking, vaccination, and social distancing

[C0|dB|00ded]

I've got to imagine most of you all on here are good people. In other words, if you saw an old lady struggling with her bags and trying to open a door, you'd rush up to help her. I'm also going to imagine that most of you mocking and shaking your fists at mitigation efforts haven't personally experienced the trauma from this pandemic that millions of Americans currently struggle with. Some have lost dear friends, spouses, children, parents. Those that have died suffer no longer, but those that carry on are left with guilt, despair, anger, and chronic symptoms.

Is mandating vaccines and threatening firings going to far? I personally don't think so. But I'm often viewing things from 30,000 feet. I'm also aware that we've been practicing compulsory vaccinations in this country for over a century. I see people riding on bikes or in cars alone wearing masks. I know it's needless, but I'm not triggered by it. I recognize that everybody is unique, and some react to stress and uncertainty differently. But I also realize we are still losing over 1,500 hundred Americans daily from Covid, which is almost 4x higher than the worst of the worst flu seasons. We are clearly not finished with this as a country even though we all want to be. Is it too much to ask to carry on with the "theater" a little while longer? Perhaps do it for the sake of someone hurting you will never meet? Think of your cooperation as an act of generosity or kindness - like someone who asks you to walk a mile and you walk two. Our country is divided; I believe love and empathy is the way back.

[pie n eye]

I love the fake outrage over an as of yet non-existent policy. Literally nothing has been announced in regards to shocker men’s basketball games. Of course the Shockernet snowflakes need to get a head start on the tears. Just in case someone asks them to wear a piece of cloth on their face for two hours. Derp.

[Singeril]

I've got to imagine most of you all on here are good people. In other words, if you saw an old lady struggling with her bags and trying to open a door, you'd rush up to help her. I'm also going to imagine that most of you mocking and shaking your fists at mitigation efforts haven't personally experienced the trauma from this pandemic that millions of Americans currently struggle with. Some have lost dear friends, spouses, children, parents. Those that have died suffer no longer, but those that carry on are left with guilt, despair, anger, and chronic symptoms.

Is mandating vaccines and threatening firings going to far? I personally don't think so. But I'm often viewing things from 30,000 feet. I'm also aware that we've been practicing compulsory vaccinations in this country for over a century. I see people riding on bikes or in cars alone wearing masks. I know it's needless, but I'm not triggered by it. I recognize that everybody is unique, and some react to stress and uncertainty differently. But I also realize we are still losing over 1,500 hundred Americans daily from Covid, which is almost 4x higher than the worst of the worst flu seasons. We are clearly not finished with this as a country even though we all want to be. Is it too much to ask to carry on with the "theater" a little while longer? Perhaps do it for the sake of someone hurting you will never meet? Think of your cooperation as an act of generosity or kindness - like someone who asks you to walk a mile and you walk two. Our country is divided; I believe love and empathy is the way back.

I do get what you are saying…however, the “theater” has already gone on for over 18 months and there is NO guidance as to when the “curtain will be allowed to rise”. There are no parameters given as to when the “acts” are allowed to be played and the “finale” will be allowed to finish. Without any kind of stated “coda”, we won’t be allowed any “curtain calls” until Biden (who is certainly no fat lady) says so. THAT is not right. OH, and I do know of people who have died of this and have witnessed the pain to the family at the funeral.

[Kung Wu]

Jury still out (at best) on Muma

Unless he publicly raises a stink reflecting the very strong majority opinion of his faculty, staff, student body and sponsors, no it isn't.

[WuDrWu]

I love the fake outrage over an as of yet non-existent policy. Literally nothing has been announced in regards to shocker men’s basketball games. Of course the Shockernet snowflakes need to get a head start on the tears. Just in case someone asks them to wear a piece of cloth on their face for two hours. Derp.

While stupid, needless and unscientific, I couldn't care less about masks at the games. I'll choose to go or I won't, it's my choice.

When they tell people they can't work, support their families, if they don't take the jab, that's simply wrong. And it's completely indefensible, no matter what you or anyone else thinks or says.

[Singeril]

I love the fake outrage over an as of yet non-existent policy. Literally nothing has been announced in regards to shocker men’s basketball games. Of course the Shockernet snowflakes need to get a head start on the tears. Just in case someone asks them to wear a piece of cloth on their face for two hours. Derp.

Actually, there is, as of yesterday, a campus-wide policy. However, the only thing that remains to be seen is if the Athletic facilities are giving exemptions…and, if so, then the rest of the university has every reason to balk.

[shoxlax]

The states need to fast track the suits to the SCOTUS. It has to go through the State Courts first, before the federal courts, but it can be hurried through if the SCOTUS wishes to take the case. The Executive Order will be declared unconstitutional imo.

There have been five class actions suits filed in federal court by government employees, including DoD uniformed personnel, since 1 Oct against this administration. This doesn’t include government contract suits. Each one of these cases has almost the exact same cause of action and relief requested.

If members of KBOR institutions wanted to file suit in federal court as a class against the Biden administration they could ask for an ex parte restraining order, then a preliminary injunction followed by a declaratory judgment. The court could find that temporarily the federal government has issued mandates that violates the Tenth Amendment and render it unenforceable. That would get it through most of the season. Of course the state could come up with their own mandatory guidance that is just as restrictive without the federal mandate, which they probably would, so we would be in the same boat. In other words this ain’t Texas or Florida.

As far as the masking goes, I really think employees could have a real shot at an ADA claim especially when they make their living interacting with others and have difficulty understanding garbled up jibberish coming from behind a mask. Reasonable accommodations are either very expensive or cause others to forego their individual rights and contracted for services to meet them.
Nike got their ass handed to them in a similar case.

Sorry for the long diatribe but I have been researching this for another project of mine.

[ShockTalk]

I love the fake outrage over an as of yet non-existent policy. Literally nothing has been announced in regards to shocker men’s basketball games. Of course the Shockernet snowflakes need to get a head start on the tears. Just in case someone asks them to wear a piece of cloth on their face for two hours. Derp.

Question. Is fake outrage not really outrage at all? I think people may be getting fed up with fake solutions however (unless you really believe masks (of all types) actually make you safe in an filled 10,000 seat arena). Add to that that fully vaxxed people can carry COVID and give COVID to another vaxxed person. If you are, or could easily be, a health compromised person, you should probably not be going to a filled arena anyway. Many of the post are simply humorous, but are probably true.

[ShockerFever]

I do get what you are saying…however, the “theater” has already gone on for over 18 months and there is NO guidance as to when the “curtain will be allowed to rise”. There are no parameters given as to when the “acts” are allowed to be played and the “finale” will be allowed to finish. Without any kind of stated “coda”, we won’t be allowed any “curtain calls” until Biden (who is certainly no fat lady) says so. THAT is not right. OH, and I do know of people who have died of this and have witnessed the pain to the family at the funeral.

Remember earlier in the year when everyone was told just “hold out a little longer”? And that we would be back to normal in the summer?

The government does not want to lose control. They’ll hold on to it as long as they can. And you’re right. What’s the end goal? Zero infections? The goals are either not stated or impossible to deliver. People lose their patience when people are constantly telling them “to wait a little longer” every month.

If you don’t feel safe going out, then don’t go out. I was told vaccines were the answer but yet all of these vaccinated people are told to wear a mask. It’s a complete control game at this point.

[Kung Wu]

Kansas had a peak 7-day average of 21 deaths per day due to delta. It's now at 6 and still falling.

[shoxlax]

Kansas had a peak 7-day average of 21 deaths per day due to delta. It's now at 6 and still falling.

[shoxlax]

Remember earlier in the year when everyone was told just “hold out a little longer”? And that we would be back to normal in the summer?

The government does not want to lose control. They’ll hold on to it as long as they can. And you’re right. What’s the end goal? Zero infections? The goals are either not stated or impossible to deliver. People lose their patience when people are constantly telling them “to wait a little longer” every month.

If you don’t feel safe going out, then don’t go out. I was told vaccines were the answer but yet all of these vaccinated people are told to wear a mask. It’s a complete control game at this point.

…and if you are a state or local institution/agency that has taken federal dollars for anything, you have sold your soul to the devil.

[C0|dB|00ded]

Kansas had a peak 7-day average of 21 deaths per day due to delta. It's now at 6 and still falling.

Viruses don't know borders. Mitigation efforts are most effective when practiced in solidarity across a nation.

[Singeril]

Remember earlier in the year when everyone was told just “hold out a little longer”? And that we would be back to normal in the summer?

The government does not want to lose control. They’ll hold on to it as long as they can. And you’re right. What’s the end goal? Zero infections? The goals are either not stated or impossible to deliver. People lose their patience when people are constantly telling them “to wait a little longer” every month.

If you don’t feel safe going out, then don’t go out. I was told vaccines were the answer but yet all of these vaccinated people are told to wear a mask. It’s a complete control game at this point.

Actually, it’s even worse than that. “Two weeks to flatten the curve” expired in April 2020.

[WuShockFan]

My main concern about the forced vaccinations is that these Covid "vaccines" were rushed and did not undergo lengthy clinical trials to ensure that they were safe for members of the public to use. We do not have long-term safety data on them. Other vaccines that we require for school children or health care workers, for example, have been in use for decades and have long-term data to prove their safety. We don't have that with the Covid shots. The fact that they are requiring these shots for so many people in our society, without any scientific assurance that these people will not be harmed by it either now or in the future, is criminal and it's inhumane.