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A lot on here fail to comprehend the BE footprint. Small private mostly Catholic is a real thing and the biggest box to check for prospective members. Not everyone has the SEC mindset in which money drives all decisions. The individuals driving the bus for BE strategic decisions are literally priests making consensus decisions among themselves. That's a very high hurdle for public institutions in flyover country to surpass.
Now I hope I'm dead wrong on all of this but I doubt it.
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Originally posted by BostonWu View PostA lot on here fail to comprehend the BE footprint. Small private mostly Catholic is a real thing and the biggest box to check for prospective members. Not everyone has the SEC mindset in which money drives all decisions. The individuals driving the bus for BE strategic decisions are literally priests making consensus decisions among themselves. That's a very high hurdle for public institutions in flyover country to surpass.
Now I hope I'm dead wrong on all of this but I doubt it.- Not all in the BE are Catholic. Several aren't, and weren't under the past BE
- Not all in the BE are Private currently or historically
- There is a History of Bigger Public and Private Schools, in the BE that these schools didn't mind being a part of at that time
- The BE is basketball-centric, and the current schools want their conference to be basketball-centric. This is a match with us. That seemed to be the biggest hurdle that they had with the bigger football playing Institutions (Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida, West Virginia, Syracuse, Pittsburgh) None of these schools were Catholic schools. If not for football, they would all probably still be together, and maybe no Creighton or Butler.
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Originally posted by Shockm View Post
I'm not saying you're wrong, but you do speak of history, and your history is incomplete.- Not all in the BE are Catholic. Several aren't, and weren't under the past BE
- Not all in the BE are Private currently or historically
- There is a History of Bigger Public and Private Schools, in the BE that these schools didn't mind being a part of at that time
- The BE is basketball-centric, and the current schools want their conference to be basketball-centric. This is a match with us. That seemed to be the biggest hurdle that they had with the bigger football playing Institutions (Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida, West Virginia, Syracuse, Pittsburgh) None of these schools were Catholic schools. If not for football, they would all probably still be together, and maybe no Creighton or Butler.
2. They have one public school and we've established their long history with the conference and its members.
3. That was a different time and place.
4. SLU still fits that mold as well. Plus they have better academics, a better market, a similar student enrollment and goals. Are we better at basketball than SLU? Yes. Is SLU better at everything else that matters to BE membership? Most definitely yes.
The A10 would make zero sense for us. Outside of being non-football, it would be insanely more expensive to travel for the athletic department and they make pennies in their media deal. The BE at least has the financial backing to make up for the travel, but we're so far down their list of options it's not going to happen. I don't even think that they'd take VCU who is at least in their footprint, or close to it. Dayton would be the pick if it weren't for Xavier. Davidson is going to be higher on the list than we are as well. Maybe even Loyola or hell, even Drake. You can't simply throw out the obvious of what kind of institutions they want to be associated with. And who in the BE is going to push for us? I don't see any that would care to. The old CU administration maybe, but they're gone. UCon doesn't give a **** about us. None of the others have any relationship with us and again, we are not a similar school to any of them outside of being a basketball school. That's not going to get it done.Infinity Art Glass - Fantastic local artist and Shocker fan
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Originally posted by wichshock65 View Post
I don't know much at all about SLU so it was an honost question. Money seems to be the driver of the expansion bus, so with academics aside, seems to me their are much more relevant national brands that would be asked to join before SLU.
If Temple were willing to go Independent in football they would be a top consideration, but I don't see that happening. They seem to care more about their football program than UCon does.
Of course, they could pull a rabbit out of their ass and somehow get Gonzaga, but that seems very unlikely.Infinity Art Glass - Fantastic local artist and Shocker fan
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Originally posted by SubGod22 View Post
1. He didn't say all, but most are. The religious aspect is pretty strong and important amongst the members.
2. They have one public school and we've established their long history with the conference and its members.
3. That was a different time and place.
4. SLU still fits that mold as well. Plus they have better academics, a better market, a similar student enrollment and goals. Are we better at basketball than SLU? Yes. Is SLU better at everything else that matters to BE membership? Most definitely yes.
The A10 would make zero sense for us. Outside of being non-football, it would be insanely more expensive to travel for the athletic department and they make pennies in their media deal. The BE at least has the financial backing to make up for the travel, but we're so far down their list of options it's not going to happen. I don't even think that they'd take VCU who is at least in their footprint, or close to it. Dayton would be the pick if it weren't for Xavier. Davidson is going to be higher on the list than we are as well. Maybe even Loyola or hell, even Drake. You can't simply throw out the obvious of what kind of institutions they want to be associated with. And who in the BE is going to push for us? I don't see any that would care to. The old CU administration maybe, but they're gone. UCon doesn't give a **** about us. None of the others have any relationship with us and again, we are not a similar school to any of them outside of being a basketball school. That's not going to get it done.
Practically speaking, I just said that no one should close the door at this time, and the plan for the future, even though we can't predict it, but you can if you choose.
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Originally posted by Onegreatracer View Post
Cold... I have to say I'm one of the few on this board that agrees with a good amount of your posts. But what are you talking about? Marquette has a richer basketball history compared to WSU, and the rest are at the very least only a few steps behind us. Aside from DePaul and St. John's, all those programs you listed have history along with at least somewhat recent success too.
That's history of the Big Pee.
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Originally posted by Fake Gregg Marshall View Post
5 of the 7 programs you named are no strangers to the top 25. I gotta be honest with you man, the idea that the AAC has ever been a better basketball conference than the new BE is almost into the realm of absurdity.
Now that UConn is back they've added a bit more cachet. Still, they are but a faint whisper of that great old league of which they share the same name.
And yes, I would like for the Shockers to be invited. Just getting the trolling started ahead of time. It might be worth it to the Pee to exclude us just to keep me off their conference message board.
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Originally posted by Shockm View Post
I'm not saying you're wrong, but you do speak of history, and your history is incomplete.- Not all in the BE are Catholic. Several aren't, and weren't under the past BE
- Not all in the BE are Private currently or historically
- There is a History of Bigger Public and Private Schools, in the BE that these schools didn't mind being a part of at that time
- The BE is basketball-centric, and the current schools want their conference to be basketball-centric. This is a match with us. That seemed to be the biggest hurdle that they had with the bigger football playing Institutions (Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida, West Virginia, Syracuse, Pittsburgh) None of these schools were Catholic schools. If not for football, they would all probably still be together, and maybe no Creighton or Butler.
When the Big East disbanded, all the power programs left to the ACC. What remained rebranded themselves as the Catholic 7. Then they started adding mid-majors to fill in the massive vacuum. What resulted is an upgraded Catholic Missouri Valley Conference.
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Originally posted by Dan View PostBig East is nothing close to anything Missouri Valley, other than their admittance of Creighton. Villanova, Georgetown, Seton Hall, Xavier? Not even close, unless by "upgrade" you mean 1000% upgrade.
Villanova: I've already said they are a power.
Seton Hall: lol? Historical garbage.
Xavier: Good mid-major out of the A-10.
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Originally posted by WeWillShockU2 View PostYou are delusional if you think we will ever be in the Big East. Never happen.
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Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded View Post
Because of communion? You're probably correct. But if we were admitted, we'd be a top 4 perennial program in their league. Creighton would once again be sniffing our gym socks.
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Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded View Post
Georgetown: Had a good brand LONG ago when the Big East was around. They suffered after the big boys left.
Villanova: I've already said they are a power.
Seton Hall: lol? Historical garbage.
Xavier: Good mid-major out of the A-10.
Loyola
Northern Iowa
Indiana State
Bradley
You do make a compelling argument
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