Rebounding Huge Weakness-

[SubGod22]

Sorry if I misspelled his name wrong.

Is there a right way to misspell a name?


And we don't have to have bigs averaging a ton of rebounds. In the past, we had a lot of bigs that did a great job of boxing out and the guards/wings would swoop in and get the boards. Our bigs don't box out all that well on this team, but they should also average more than they're getting.

Bilau is a better rebounder than Mo and Poor Bear, from what little we've seen of him. He's also actually athletic enough to go get a rebound.

[Signman]

We appear to be playing more zone this year than in years past. Traditionally zone teams don't rebound efficiently as it is more difficult to match up box out assignments.

[ShockingButTrue]

We appear to be playing more zone this year than in years past. Traditionally zone teams don't rebound efficiently as it is more difficult to match up box out assignments.

True. It's probably the primary reason GGG eschewed zones so doggedly.

I personally like to see IB go to zone D at strategic opportunities. For heaven's sake The General was playing zone when he was down in Lubbock.

[Shockm]

Just went and checked. Ramon Clemente x2, Garrett Stutz, Rashard Kelly, and Jamie Echenique. Only 4 guys to avg 7 RB during Marshall tenure regardless of position.

On Marshall’s good teams, numerous guys were effective rebounders. His NIT Tourney Championship Team played 10-11 guys. Without looking, I’d bet We had numerous guys averaging 4-6 rebounds.

On this team, our top 2 5 men average 2.? and 3.? rebounds per game. Actually Wade is averting 5+ rebounds per game.

[pie n eye]

In the games that I’ve gone back after the fact to watch and break down I’ve noticed the guards, particularly Gilbert, were the cause of many offensive rebounds. Trey Wade is also notorious for not just turning around to put a body on someone, choosing instead to stand and watch the ball.

[Shockm]

Here are the Team cumulative stats.
Trey Wade. 5.8
Ricky C. 5.1
Clarence J. 4.5
Tyson E. 3.7
Dexter. 3.5
Morris U. 3.3
A. Gilbert. 3.1
Poor B. 2.8
Eric Porter. 2.8

[pie n eye]

Here are the Team cumulative stats.
Trey Wade. 5.8
Ricky C. 5.1
Clarence J. 4.5
Tyson E. 3.7
Dexter. 3.5
Morris U. 3.3
A. Gilbert. 3.1
Poor B. 2.8
Eric Porter. 2.8

Who is Eric Porter.

[Woodrow]

Here are the Team cumulative stats.
Trey Wade. 5.8
Ricky C. 5.1
Clarence J. 4.5
Tyson E. 3.7
Dexter. 3.5
Morris U. 3.3
A. Gilbert. 3.1
Poor B. 2.8
Eric Porter. 2.8

Can you get rebounds per 40 minutes? Those are pretty good numbers for Ricky and Clarence for the amount of minutes they get.

[ShockingButTrue]

Ricky is clearly a gifted rebounder. He can go as far in this game as he wants to go.

[ShockTalk]

Here are the Team cumulative stats.
Trey Wade. 5.8
Ricky C. 5.1
Clarence J. 4.5
Tyson E. 3.7
Dexter. 3.5
Morris U. 3.3
A. Gilbert. 3.1
Poor B. 2.8
Eric Porter. 2.8

Number of rebounds by position of forward/center and individuals played in most of the games for the last 14 years.

1 : 17-18 28.2
2 : 16-17 22.9
3 : 12-13 21.3
4 : 15-16 20.9
5 : 10-11 20.6
6 : 18-19 20.5
6 : 19-20 20.5
8 : 13-14 18.8
9 : 07-08 18.4
10 : 11-12 18.3
11 : 08-09 17.6
11 : 14-15 17.6
13 : 09-10 16.7 (Murray lead all rebounders as a non-forward at 5.0)
14 : 20-21 16.4 (Council is 2nd in rebounding as a non-forward. Also IPBC is tied for last and Udeze is only 2 spots higher as forward/center among regular players)

[Shockm]

Council is 2nd in rebounding as a non-forward. Also IPBC is tied for last and Udeze is only 2 spots higher as forward/center among regular players)

T Wade is doing a nice Job on the Boards. Ricky is a stud.

But Poor Bear, and MU are embarrassing for two really BIG guys. It just appears that they don’t care about that part of their game.

[Arizona Shocker]

T Wade is doing a nice Job on the Boards. Ricky is a stud.

But Poor Bear, and MU are embarrassing for two really BIG guys. It just appears that they don’t care about that part of their game.

Agreed, and yes I pick on TW, but 25% from 3 when he is clearly capable 33% (last year) means you have to step up in other areas, like D. So I am glad he is rebounding, or else maybe he wouldn’t start.

Dex is also shooting 25% from 3, but his Defense is fantastic in my opinion. And he can provide the intangibles. If the shot starts falling, watch out for both of them. Love them both, but D and Rebounds first please....we all know scoring comes and goes.

[Aargh]

I'm convinced the original intent of this thread was "Marshall great - IB sucks". Just used rebounding as a different way to say the same thing we've heard forever from the original poster.

The guy who recruited and trained the guys who aren't rebounding is Marshall. Marshall did recruit the two guys who are rebounding (Council and Jackson) , but IB is the guy coaching them.

I'm not blaming Marshall or praising IB. I'm trying to point out that there are multiple ways of looking at things. I think it's obvious that both recruiting and coaching are involved in the boards that MU and IPBC get. Recruiting, but to a lesser degree coaching, with Council and Jackson, is a factor in their rebounding.

I don't think rebounding this year can be blamed on either IB or Marshall, but more likely Marshall. 6'7" guys who can predict the trajectory of a shot, establish position and jump are more likely to grab rebounds than 6'8" guys who can't do that.

[Shockm]

I'm convinced the original intent of this thread was "Marshall great - IB sucks". Just used rebounding as a different way to say the same thing we've heard forever from the original poster.

The guy who recruited and trained the guys who aren't rebounding is Marshall. Marshall did recruit the two guys who are rebounding (Council and Jackson) , but IB is the guy coaching them.

I'm not blaming Marshall or praising IB. I'm trying to point out that there are multiple ways of looking at things. I think it's obvious that both recruiting and coaching are involved in the boards that MU and IPBC get. Recruiting, but to a lesser degree coaching, with Council and Jackson, is a factor in their rebounding.

I don't think rebounding this year can be blamed on either IB or Marshall, but more likely Marshall. 6'7" guys who can predict the trajectory of a shot, establish position and jump are more likely to grab rebounds than 6'8" guys who can't do that.

The point is that we "suck" at rebounding, and there's no reason we are as bad as we are. Let's not blame it on anyone. The players are who they are right? Why hold them accountable? The coaches are doing the best they can, right? Why hold them accountable.
Percentage of Rebounds
We are #244
Ole Miss is #72, (+3) Great job
ORU is #278 (We were -2 on ORU) We sucked
Tulsa is #281 (We were +4 and +5 ) Good job
Houston is #6 (-10) They are good and we probably can't beat them

If we rebound like we are now, with our 5 men, rebounding 6.0 rebounds a game in 40 minutes, for an average of 3 each, (Udeze 3.3 and Poor Bear 2.8), and continue our team at #244, we better shoot 45-50% from 3 and a high percentage from 2 against Houston or we don't stand a chance. But who cares. We don't want to be good anymore, and go to the NCAA Tourney. That day is gone. This team is trying hard. Mediocre is fine, and we may be a tad above mediocre. After all, we are in 2nd place in the American at this time. Does that say very much if we want to be a Top 40 team?

https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-ba...ing-percentage

[pie n eye]

Shockm Seems like you’re really freaking out here.

So, we’re not a great rebounding team. We still somehow found a way to get to 9-4, 5-2. Second place in league and a win or two away from being back in the at large conversation.

If I understand your general stance on the team it’s safe to say you predict we will play slightly above .500 ball the rest of the season, end up somewhere in the middle of the pack in conference, win a game in the American tourney, and not sniff an at large bid.

Is that the outcome the players, coaches, or fans want or expect? No.

It’s a strange season in that it’s February, the team has been practicing since November (October?), and yet they’ve only played 13 games. I still see a lot of the same mistakes that plagued us early - inexplicably bad transition defense, missed box outs, poor shot selection - albeit less often.

Time for improvement is quickly running out. We’re reaching the point where “we are what we are” if we aren’t there already. Yet somehow there is still also time to improve what I believe are correctable issues that would take this team from top 75 to top 30 or 40.