2020-21 Bracketology

[FadedCrown]

Are the AQ's the regular season winners or the league tourney champ if already played?

Why couldn't he put us as a 12 seed as the AQ at this point?

Surely he doesn't think that WSU has to run the table to be an 11 seed? If they do that, I'd think they would be higher than an 11, possibly a 9.

Your comments, please?

Because on the S-Curve, we fall as an 11 seed. If you remove the AQ, we would still be in the same spot.

[ShockTalk]

Are the AQ's the regular season winners or the league tourney champ if already played?

Why couldn't he put us as a 12 seed as the AQ at this point?

Surely he doesn't think that WSU has to run the table to be an 11 seed? If they do that, I'd think they would be higher than an 11, possibly a 9.

Your comments, please?

[shocks02]

Lunardi has WSU as 11 seed and automatic qualifier (that is up from 12th he had WSU earlier this week) but I think shows how the weakness of WSU position. I see 3 scenarios:

1. WSU playing Houston in final of AAC - WSU gets at-large bid to tournament
2. WSU playing Memphis in final of AAC - Winner goes to tournament, loser stays home
3. WSU does not get to finals of AAC tournament - WSU stays home.

WSU is currently the 5th to last team in according to BracketMatrix. That means all four of the teams below them have to have comparably better weeks and they would have to be passed by a team outside the bubble. Have you seen the teams outside the bubble? Syracuse, Ole Miss, St Louis, Utah State. Not good resumes, not even comparable to WSU at this point.

I know I'm in the minority here, but even if WSU loses on Friday I think they still have a fighter's chance to get in. If they make it to Sunday and lose, we have to be feeling REALLY good (no matter who we lose to). Just my 2 cents.

I think Drake is a solid team, but their resume is trash. I wouldn't be surprised if the committee "snubbed" them like they tend to do with mid-majors and gaudy records. Can't forget limited non-conference will likely hurt those teams even more this season.

[Maizerunner08]

Lunardi has WSU as 11 seed and automatic qualifier (that is up from 12th he had WSU earlier this week) but I think shows how the weakness of WSU position. I see 3 scenarios:

1. WSU playing Houston in final of AAC - WSU gets at-large bid to tournament
2. WSU playing Memphis in final of AAC - Winner goes to tournament, loser stays home
3. WSU does not get to finals of AAC tournament - WSU stays home.

If this is true, we are currently on the wrong side of the bubble. I think we can win one and we’re sweating but in. Two wins we’re in regardless of who makes the championship game. Guess we’ll see

[SB Shock]

Lunardi has WSU as 11 seed and automatic qualifier (that is up from 12th he had WSU earlier this week) but I think shows how the weakness of WSU position. I see 3 scenarios:

1. WSU playing Houston in final of AAC - WSU gets at-large bid to tournament
2. WSU playing Memphis in final of AAC - Winner goes to tournament, loser stays home
3. WSU does not get to finals of AAC tournament - WSU stays home.

[JVShocker]

Well, I screwed that up big time! I'll just crawl back in my hole.

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[pie n eye]

Gonzaga is the only one I'd definitely prefer to avoid. Not that the others would be easy by any means, but the Zags are by far the best team this year. Outside of us making a shocking run, I'd love to see the Zags and Few finally get a title.

Based on nothing other than group think skepticism I would like to face one of the Big10 teams if we end up in the 8/9.

Maybe the B10 is as good as everyone thinks and those teams deserve their lofty rankings. I’ll believe it when I see it.

[wichshock65]

[Stickboy46]

Oral Bob moved up to a Q3 win for us. Leaving our only 2 Q4 games as Tulane and USF.

[SubGod22]

So that’s our prize if we win the conference tournament, a nine seed? In that case let’s just lose to Houston and get a 10-12 seed. Only kidding obviously.

I think this team can win a couple games in the tourney. Facing a one seed in game two would cut down on the likelihood.

Gonzaga is the only one I'd definitely prefer to avoid. Not that the others would be easy by any means, but the Zags are by far the best team this year. Outside of us making a shocking run, I'd love to see the Zags and Few finally get a title.

[wichshock65]

Perfect season - Wikipedia

The Zags are one of several teams to end the regular season undefeated.

The following teams completed a perfect regular season, but lost in the NCAA Tournament or other postseason action:

• 1939 Loyola Ramblers (finished regular season 20–0 and lost in the NIT final to LIU to finish 21–1)
• 1941 Seton Hall Pirates (finished regular season 19–0; lost in the NIT semifinals to LIU and third-place game to CCNY to finish 20–2)
• 1951 Columbia Lions (finished 21–1 after losing in the first round)^[16]
• 1961 Ohio State Buckeyes (finished 27–1 after losing in the championship game to Cincinnati)
• 1968 Houston Cougars (finished regular season 28–0, then lost the semifinal and consolation games at the Final Four)
• 1968 St. Bonaventure Bonnies (finished regular season 22–0, lost in regional semifinals)
• 1971 Penn Quakers (finished the regular season 26–0, lost in the regional finals)
• 1971 Marquette Warriors (finished regular season 26–0, lost in regional semifinals)
• 1975 Indiana Hoosiers (finished regular season 29–0, but lost to Kentucky in the Mideast Regional final)
• 1976 Rutgers Scarlet Knights (finished regular season 28–0, won 3 more games in the NCAA Tournament to go to 31–0, but lost in the Final Four to Michigan and in the consolation game to UCLA)
• 1979 Indiana State Sycamores (finished regular season 29–0, but lost in the championship game to Michigan State. Finished 33–1.)
• 1979 Alcorn State Braves finished the regular season with a perfect 27–0 record, but were not invited to the NCAA Tournament. The Braves lost in the second round of the National Invitation Tournament to Indiana.^[17]
• 1991 UNLV Runnin' Rebels (entered the tournament 30–0, lost in the Final Four to eventual champion Duke. Finished 34–1.)
• 2004 Saint Joseph's Hawks (finished the regular season 27–0, lost to Xavier in the quarterfinals of the 2004 Atlantic 10 Men's Basketball Tournament. Finished 30–2 after losing to Oklahoma State in the NCAA East Regional final.)
• 2014 Wichita State Shockers (entered the tournament 34–0, lost to eventual runner-up Kentucky in the Round of 32. Finished 35–1.)
• 2015 Kentucky Wildcats (entered the tournament 34–0, lost to Wisconsin in the Final Four. Finished 38–1.)

8 teams have completed the tournament undefeated.

• 1939 LIU Blackbirds (24–0) — NIT champion, which at the time was more prestigious than the NCAA tournament
• 1956 San Francisco Dons (29–0) – NCAA champion
• 1957 North Carolina Tar Heels (32–0) – NCAA champion
• 1964 UCLA Bruins (30–0) – NCAA champion
• 1967 UCLA Bruins (30–0) – NCAA champion
• 1972 UCLA Bruins (30–0) – NCAA champion
• 1973 UCLA Bruins (30–0) – NCAA champion
• 1976 Indiana Hoosiers (32–0) – NCAA champion

Well, I screwed that up big time! I'll just crawl back in my hole.

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[pie n eye]

So that’s our prize if we win the conference tournament, a nine seed? In that case let’s just lose to Houston and get a 10-12 seed. Only kidding obviously.

I think this team can win a couple games in the tourney. Facing a one seed in game two would cut down on the likelihood.

[ShockerPrez]

Shocks still holding the 2 spot on the 9th seed line.

Would be interesting to go back in time and see if any teams projected as a 9 seed this late in his bracket ever missed the tourney.

[mattdalt]

Nm

[Wooglin]

Gongrats to the Zags on their undefeated season. The list of teams undefeated entering the tournament:

Gonzaga - 2021
Kentucky - 2015
Wichita State - 2014

That's the entire list.

Perfect season - Wikipedia

The Zags are one of several teams to end the regular season undefeated.

The following teams completed a perfect regular season, but lost in the NCAA Tournament or other postseason action:

• 1939 Loyola Ramblers (finished regular season 20–0 and lost in the NIT final to LIU to finish 21–1)
• 1941 Seton Hall Pirates (finished regular season 19–0; lost in the NIT semifinals to LIU and third-place game to CCNY to finish 20–2)
• 1951 Columbia Lions (finished 21–1 after losing in the first round)^[16]
• 1961 Ohio State Buckeyes (finished 27–1 after losing in the championship game to Cincinnati)
• 1968 Houston Cougars (finished regular season 28–0, then lost the semifinal and consolation games at the Final Four)
• 1968 St. Bonaventure Bonnies (finished regular season 22–0, lost in regional semifinals)
• 1971 Penn Quakers (finished the regular season 26–0, lost in the regional finals)
• 1971 Marquette Warriors (finished regular season 26–0, lost in regional semifinals)
• 1975 Indiana Hoosiers (finished regular season 29–0, but lost to Kentucky in the Mideast Regional final)
• 1976 Rutgers Scarlet Knights (finished regular season 28–0, won 3 more games in the NCAA Tournament to go to 31–0, but lost in the Final Four to Michigan and in the consolation game to UCLA)
• 1979 Indiana State Sycamores (finished regular season 29–0, but lost in the championship game to Michigan State. Finished 33–1.)
• 1979 Alcorn State Braves finished the regular season with a perfect 27–0 record, but were not invited to the NCAA Tournament. The Braves lost in the second round of the National Invitation Tournament to Indiana.^[17]
• 1991 UNLV Runnin' Rebels (entered the tournament 30–0, lost in the Final Four to eventual champion Duke. Finished 34–1.)
• 2004 Saint Joseph's Hawks (finished the regular season 27–0, lost to Xavier in the quarterfinals of the 2004 Atlantic 10 Men's Basketball Tournament. Finished 30–2 after losing to Oklahoma State in the NCAA East Regional final.)
• 2014 Wichita State Shockers (entered the tournament 34–0, lost to eventual runner-up Kentucky in the Round of 32. Finished 35–1.)
• 2015 Kentucky Wildcats (entered the tournament 34–0, lost to Wisconsin in the Final Four. Finished 38–1.)

8 teams have completed the tournament undefeated.

• 1939 LIU Blackbirds (24–0) — NIT champion, which at the time was more prestigious than the NCAA tournament
• 1956 San Francisco Dons (29–0) – NCAA champion
• 1957 North Carolina Tar Heels (32–0) – NCAA champion
• 1964 UCLA Bruins (30–0) – NCAA champion
• 1967 UCLA Bruins (30–0) – NCAA champion
• 1972 UCLA Bruins (30–0) – NCAA champion
• 1973 UCLA Bruins (30–0) – NCAA champion
• 1976 Indiana Hoosiers (32–0) – NCAA champion