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  • #46
    Wichita State vs Chicago State Prouty Ratings

    Player

    Ragland
    Murry
    Kyles
    Stutz
    Hall
    Smith
    Cotton
    Williams
    White
    Orukpe
    Anacreon
    Wessel
    Vautravers
    TEAM
    CSU
    Game

    0.718
    0.444
    0.462
    0.516
    0.471
    0.741
    0.278
    0.466
    0.255
    0.248
    0.338
    0.443
    0.265
    0.566
    All
    Games

    0.501
    0.465
    0.457
    0.424
    0.416
    0.395
    0.294
    0.279
    0.227
    0.224
    0.209
    0.207
    0.007
    0.491

    Grade

    A-
    B
    B
    B-
    B-
    C+
    D+
    D+
    D-
    D-
    D-
    D-
    F
    B+
    Team Winning Percentage: 0.800
    Best game rating of the season
    Best overall rating of the season
    Played less than 1 minute

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    • #47
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      • #48
        Wichita State vs Newman University Prouty Ratings

        Player

        Ragland
        Murry
        Kyles
        Stutz
        Hall
        Smith
        Cotton
        Williams
        Anacreon
        Wessel
        Orukpe
        White
        Vautravers
        TEAM
        NU
        Game

        0.557
        0.405
        0.516
        0.633
        0.471
        0.593
        0.530
        0.570
        0.395
        0.417
        0.148
        0.090
        0.640
        0.596
        All
        Games

        0.507
        0.463
        0.460
        0.442
        0.423
        0.412
        0.321
        0.311
        0.250
        0.245
        0.211
        0.198
        0.127
        0.505

        Grade

        A-
        B
        B
        B
        B-
        B-
        C-
        C-
        D
        D
        D-
        F
        F
        A-
        Team Winning Percentage: 0.818
        Best game rating of the season
        Best overall rating of the season
        Played less than 1 minute

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        • #49
          Wichita State vs Bradley Prouty Ratings

          Player

          Ragland
          Murry
          Stutz
          Kyles
          Hall
          Smith
          Cotton
          Williams
          Anacreon
          Orukpe
          Wessel
          White
          Vautravers
          TEAM
          BU
          Game

          0.505
          0.511
          0.647
          0.438
          0.551
          0.377
          0.401
          0.269
          0.410
          0.379
          0.052
          0.135
          0.010
          0.549
          All
          Games

          0.508
          0.468
          0.459
          0.458
          0.433
          0.411
          0.331
          0.310
          0.277
          0.236
          0.220
          0.197
          0.123
          0.512

          Grade

          A-
          B+
          B
          B
          B-
          B-
          C-
          C-
          D+
          D
          D-
          F
          F
          A-
          Team Winning Percentage: 0.833
          Best game rating of the season
          Best overall rating of the season
          Played less than 1 minute
          Last edited by 1979Shocker; January 1, 2012, 03:23 AM.

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          • #50
            Wichita State vs Creighton Prouty Ratings

            Player

            Ragland
            Murry
            Kyles
            Hall
            Stutz
            Smith
            Cotton
            Williams
            Anacreon
            Orukpe
            Wessel
            White
            Vautravers
            TEAM
            CU
            Game

            0.357
            0.283
            0.385
            0.561
            0.244
            0.314
            0.474
            0.260
            0.000
            0.082
            0.000
            0.000
            0.000
            0.421
            All
            Games

            0.484
            0.445
            0.441
            0.438
            0.436
            0.393
            0.332
            0.299
            0.274
            0.224
            0.215
            0.193
            0.121
            0.490

            Grade

            B+
            B
            B
            B
            B
            C+
            C-
            D+
            D+
            D-
            D-
            F
            F
            B+
            Team Winning Percentage: 0.769
            Best game rating of the season
            Best overall rating of the season
            Played less than 1 minute
            Last edited by 1979Shocker; January 5, 2012, 12:00 AM.

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            • #51
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              The prouty matched up with how I came away feeling.

              [Good]
              Hall - If only a certain senior who is 7' tall had the same motor. He played his heart out and left it on the floor. Only thing some of the senior left on the floor was a bad attitude.
              Cotton - has a bright future and had another good game.

              [The Bad]
              Murry - worst game of the year. You know you are trouble when he thinks he needs to take 3pt shots.
              Ragland - Against good opponents he is average point guard and when this team really needed some one to lead this team and get them to do the right thing was AWOL
              Stutz - fifi v2, except he doesn't have another year to become a man, he needs to grow some

              [The Meh]
              Kyles - not a particular good game, but not bad, he was his normal inconsistent self
              Smith - role player who struggles to get open and knocked down shots against good opponents
              Williams - normal williams performance
              Orupke - I just hope he finally gets it sometime

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              • #52
                Isn't it odd how two of the players who have never experienced a Creighton game or a home conference game performed better than the seniors?

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                • #53
                  Why is it that the team prouty rating is higher than even the highest individual rating? Intuitively, I would expect that the team rating would be somehwhat of an average of the indiviual ratings weighted to towards the averages of the players who get the most minutes but it obviously doesn't work that way.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by ISASO View Post
                    Isn't it odd how two of the players who have never experienced a Creighton game or a home conference game performed better than the seniors?
                    maybe these senior will be known as the NIT Seniors

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                    • #55
                      The NIT will continue to be our destiny until someone like Hall or a group of someone's stand up and say, Enough! The seniors will not do it or cannot do it, you can tell they are too nice, too soft and make too many poor decisions in the clutch. They learned from Durley that being mediocre is good enough. It is up to you to prove me wrong fellas. Don't bank on screwing around until March 5 and then pulling it all together in one miracle weekend, a la Indiana State - that's embarrassing. Please don't screw around until the NIT gives you a chance to repeat as champion. Last year was a failure and going back there is doubling down on failure.

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                      • #56
                        Maybe we should take down the NIT Champion portion of the pregame video. The crowd was extremely loud during that moment in the pregame video and maybe the team/coaches think that's acceptable and our ultimate goal? They sure are starting to play like another quality NIT team.
                        Deuces Valley.
                        ... No really, deuces.
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                        "Enjoy the ride."

                        - a smart man

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                        • #57
                          Wichita State vs Evansville Prouty Ratings

                          Player

                          Ragland
                          Stutz
                          Murry
                          Hall
                          Kyles
                          Smith
                          Cotton
                          Williams
                          Anacreon
                          Orukpe
                          Wessel
                          White
                          Vautravers
                          TEAM
                          UE
                          Game

                          0.307
                          0.685
                          0.394
                          0.461
                          0.367
                          0.344
                          0.000
                          0.440
                          -0.069
                          0.000
                          0.000
                          0.000
                          0.000
                          0.492
                          All
                          Games

                          0.475
                          0.464
                          0.444
                          0.439
                          0.437
                          0.390
                          0.329
                          0.312
                          0.262
                          0.221
                          0.214
                          0.192
                          0.121
                          0.494

                          Grade

                          B+
                          B
                          B
                          B
                          B
                          C+
                          C-
                          C-
                          D
                          D-
                          D-
                          F
                          F
                          B+
                          Team Winning Percentage: 0.786
                          Best game rating of the season
                          Best overall rating of the season
                          Played less than 1 minute
                          Last edited by 1979Shocker; January 5, 2012, 09:30 PM.

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                          • #58
                            Garrett said coach really challenged him in practice this week. Glad to hear he was listening and took it to heart. Now, will it stick?

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                            • #59
                              Wichita State vs Southern Illinois Prouty Ratings

                              Player

                              Ragland
                              Stutz
                              Murry
                              Hall
                              Kyles
                              Smith
                              Williams
                              Cotton
                              Anacreon
                              Orukpe
                              Wessel
                              White
                              Vautravers
                              TEAM
                              SIU
                              Game

                              0.524
                              0.512
                              0.491
                              0.370
                              0.371
                              0.273
                              0.494
                              -0.036
                              0.000
                              0.106
                              0.000
                              0.322
                              0.000
                              0.498
                              All
                              Games

                              0.479
                              0.469
                              0.450
                              0.436
                              0.435
                              0.385
                              0.329
                              0.320
                              0.261
                              0.217
                              0.213
                              0.197
                              0.121
                              0.497

                              Grade

                              B+
                              B+
                              B
                              B
                              B
                              C+
                              C-
                              C-
                              D
                              D-
                              D-
                              F
                              F
                              B+
                              Team Winning Percentage: 0.800
                              Best game rating of the season
                              Best overall rating of the season
                              Played less than 1 minute

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                              • #60
                                Each Statistic's effect on Prouty Score

                                For purposes of this exercise, I have taken Joe Ragland's statistical line after 15 games:

                                Minutes....388
                                Points......186
                                FGA.........116
                                FTA.......... 43
                                Rebounds. 45
                                Assists..... 50
                                Turnovers. 29
                                Blocks...... 1
                                Steals....... 13
                                Fouls........ 32

                                This computed to a Prouty of .4794. Cahnging the win percentage to 1.0 did not alter the following results.

                                To determine the effect of each action, I restarted with Joe's original statistics. For the FGM, 3ptMade and FTM, I added the correct number of points to Joe's total points AND added "1" to the attempt category. For all other actions, I reset the original statistics and added "1" to the appropriate statistic category. Here are the results:



                                It appears there is significant bias to making 3-pt shot over making a 2-pt field goal, since the 3-pt is worth only 1.5 times the points, but is 1.79 better in the Prouty. Similarly, the "assist" is undervalued, in my opinion, because it always results in either a 2-pt or 3-pt field goal, it should have a value between .0019 and .0029. About 26% of WSU's field goals made are 3-point shots, so the appropriate influence should be around .0024.

                                The Shockers average about 1.2 points per possession, so using that, a rebound should be about .0011 instead of .0007. The same thought process would apply to steals. A similar negsative effect should apply for turnovers. Blocks are probably infrequent enogh to not merit changing.

                                Adding only an additional minute played to the 388 minutes Joe has played would reduce his Prouty score by .0002.

                                Having done this, I put adjustments in the formula to achieve the individual change values describes, and the resulting Prouty was .4801, up from .4794, a totally immaterial change.
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