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**Zardoz** · September 26, 2011, 05:40 PM

I think White and Egharevba and/or Wessel will see some PT this year. White because I'm not that sure about the depth at the 4/5, and minutes we can count on from Stutz/EO and Valley officials and their tickey-tack fouls. I also think it would be nice to have some returning depth at the 3. I really have no idea, but I am certain GM does and I can't argue with his results so far.

**fuball7** · September 26, 2011, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by Zardoz

I think White and Egharevba and/or Wessel will see some PT this year. White because I'm not that sure about the depth at the 4/5, and minutes we can count on from Stutz/EO and Valley officials and their tickey-tack fouls. I also think it would be nice to have some returning depth at the 3. I really have no idea, but I am certain GM does and I can't argue with his results so far.

ben smith would be considered a small forward. not bad returner there
and david kyles and murray could both play it as well

**wufan** · September 26, 2011, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by fuball7

Originally posted by Zardoz

I think White and Egharevba and/or Wessel will see some PT this year. White because I'm not that sure about the depth at the 4/5, and minutes we can count on from Stutz/EO and Valley officials and their tickey-tack fouls. I also think it would be nice to have some returning depth at the 3. I really have no idea, but I am certain GM does and I can't argue with his results so far.

ben smith would be considered a small forward. not bad returner there
and david kyles and murray could both play it as well

Zardoz was referring to returner for 12-13...i.e. all of the wings (Smith, Murry, Kyles) will graduate this year. It will be important to have either Ede or Evan get a little experience as freshman.

For me, the most interesting battle will be which two of three will see significant minutes; EO, Anacreon, or White?

**Aargh** · September 26, 2011, 06:12 PM

This is a tough subject. We're getting the annual pre-season optimism about Orukpe - and he needs some minutes. EO could be the backup for Stutz.

White had an awesome Sr year in HS and was a Parade AA. In most years we would feel comfortable projecting him as the backup at PF. Then there's Anacreon. If he can be a solid backup for Hall, then White could be a RS candidate. An extra year for him could be huge.

DWill is the obvious backup for Rags. That leaves Murry, Kyles, and Smith to cover 80 minutes at SG and SF. That's doable.

That leaves Takele, Wessel, and EdeE all available for a RS. You can always pull the shirt if there's an injury.

There's a somewhat reasonable 9-man rotation that leaves the entire Fr class available for a RS.

There's the other possibility that one or more of the Fr do so well that they can't be kept off the court. If any of them do that considering the players in front of them, Shocker fans will be very happy for the next 4 years.

**pinstripers** · September 26, 2011, 06:35 PM

If Cleanthony is as good as suspected, he'll get most of the minutes at the 3 the following year, regardless of experience, but I get your point.

**wufan** · September 26, 2011, 06:43 PM

Similar to this year where we basically only return Stutz in the front court, next year we are bound to only return Williams in the backcourt. That doesn't mean the talent isn't there, only that the game experience will be lacking.

**ShockTalk** · September 26, 2011, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by Aargh

This is a tough subject. We're getting the annual pre-season optimism about Orukpe - and he needs some minutes. EO could be the backup for Stutz.

White had an awesome Sr year in HS and was a Parade AA. In most years we would feel comfortable projecting him as the backup at PF. Then there's Anacreon. If he can be a solid backup for Hall, then White could be a RS candidate. An extra year for him could be huge.

DWill is the obvious backup for Rags. That leaves Murry, Kyles, and Smith to cover 80 minutes at SG and SF. That's doable.

That leaves Takele, Wessel, and EdeE all available for a RS. You can always pull the shirt if there's an injury.

There's a somewhat reasonable 9-man rotation that leaves the entire Fr class available for a RS.

There's the other possibility that one or more of the Fr do so well that they can't be kept off the court. If any of them do that considering the players in front of them, Shocker fans will be very happy for the next 4 years.

We'll probably know in the first two weeks of the regular season on how much Hall may have to help out at the 5. Unfortunately, with Anacreon not playing in Brazil, a lot is left to speculation by us fans on how well and fast he will be Hall's backup.

Don't think for a minute that DWill will be satisfied with 10-15 minutes of backing up Rags. He'll see time at the 2. Hopefully, DK will have the kind of season to keep DWill's minutes at the 2 to a minimum (no knock on DWill here).

**verbeak** · September 26, 2011, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by wufan

Similar to this year where we basically only return Stutz in the front court, next year we are bound to only return Williams in the backcourt. That doesn't mean the talent isn't there, only that the game experience will be lacking.

In 2012 We will have Demetric Williams, Malcolm Armstead, Joe Mitchell, Ron Baker, Evan Wessel, Tekele Cotton, and Fred VanVleet in the backcourt. I know there won't be a lot of Shocker Game experience there.. but its still a lot of experience and a lot of talent.

**vtshocker** · September 26, 2011, 11:05 PM

Armstead and Williams will bring a lot of experience and I have feeling Mitchell will be a very good player

**verbeak** · September 26, 2011, 11:09 PM

Tekele Cotton better be really really good or he will be overlooked pretty easily. Hope he is up to the challenge.

**wufan** · September 27, 2011, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by verbeak

Originally posted by wufan

Similar to this year where we basically only return Stutz in the front court, next year we are bound to only return Williams in the backcourt. That doesn't mean the talent isn't there, only that the game experience will be lacking.

In 2012 We will have Demetric Williams, Malcolm Armstead, Joe Mitchell, Ron Baker, Evan Wessel, Tekele Cotton, and Fred VanVleet in the backcourt. I know there won't be a lot of Shocker Game experience there.. but its still a lot of experience and a lot of talent.

Yes, and only Williams will have game experience, hence my comment, "...game experience will be lacking."

**SubGod22** · September 27, 2011, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by verbeak

Tekele Cotton better be really really good or he will be overlooked pretty easily. Hope he is up to the challenge.

Sounded like he did quite well for himself in Brazil, so I'm not too worried. I definitely would like to see at least one of Ede, Wessel and Cotton play this year. I'd just feel better having a little bit more experience in the backcourt. With that said:

C - Stutz (23) Ehimen (15) Hall (2)
PF - Hall (22) White (18)
SF - Kyles (15) Smith (18) Wessel (7)
SG - Murry (27) Kyles (8) DWill (5)
PG - Rags (28) DWill (12)

I think that all adds up and feel we may see something like this. I know I don't have Anacreon on this list though. I suppose he could take some of Whites minutes or if he's capable of being on the wing some or all of Wessel. Honestly, I know the least about him and it's hard to project that.

I also just noticed that's 11. Maybe I need to rethink this, but we have so much talent it's hard to narrow it down. We are going to have games where we're up big though and guys like Wessel (or whoever doesn't redshirt) and White will benefit greatly from those games.

**vancedave56** · September 27, 2011, 08:55 AM

I would tend to agree with the above post - I believe Anacreon will likely split White's minutes.

**ShockTalk** · September 27, 2011, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by SubGod22

Originally posted by verbeak

Tekele Cotton better be really really good or he will be overlooked pretty easily. Hope he is up to the challenge.

Sounded like he did quite well for himself in Brazil, so I'm not too worried. I definitely would like to see at least one of Ede, Wessel and Cotton play this year. I'd just feel better having a little bit more experience in the backcourt. With that said:

C - Stutz (23) Ehimen (15) Hall (2)
PF - Hall (22) White (18)
SF - Kyles (15) Smith (18) Wessel (7)
SG - Murry (27) Kyles (8) DWill (5)
PG - Rags (28) DWill (12)

I think that all adds up and feel we may see something like this. I know I don't have Anacreon on this list though. I suppose he could take some of Whites minutes or if he's capable of being on the wing some or all of Wessel. Honestly, I know the least about him and it's hard to project that.

I also just noticed that's 11. Maybe I need to rethink this, but we have so much talent it's hard to narrow it down. We are going to have games where we're up big though and guys like Wessel (or whoever doesn't redshirt) and White will benefit greatly from those games.

Has Kyles ever played the SF? I believe Murry will be the one splitting time at the SF and SG.

I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing if Wessel averages 7 minutes, but I'll guess less minutes than that.

I will be extremely happy if EO plays 15 mpg. The downside is that Hall will play more than 24 mpg and that leaves even fewer minutes for Anacreon and White.

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