As much as I will get blasted for saying this, SHJ is about the only guy that can get his own shot. On top of that, we have almost no players (maybe Torres), that can consistently get the ball into the post. MM thinks he can get his shot, but that is one of his biggest weaknesses - trying to do too much. I’m by no means thinking that SHJ is the answer, but almost all of our freshmen guards are slow to think and are hesitant to make stuff happen. This is why SHJ is playing, IMO.
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Originally posted by Shockm View Post
Just come out and say it. FIRE HIM and we will turn it around. HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa
This is Shockernet, we say stupid things on here ALL THE TIME. Many years ago I may have been a leader in many of the stupid things that were once posted (those would have been the Randy ball years and early Turgeon years for people who possibly joined during the HCGM era.)
But really, nobody has ever started a thread and I see no reason anyone could have to start one called TIME TO REPLACE HCGM. Trust me, if an end product ever starts to go bad, there will be telltale signs. I see no signs. Just fans.
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Originally posted by Shockm View Post
Gregg obviously believes that his best chance of winning is to do it with Seniors getting minutes and plays. When he gives up on winning, he may do that but the results won't be different. We imo defeat Memphis if we play in Koch so still can have some wins (maybe 7-9 in conference) if we stay the course.
Eric has ability but his shooting confidence has left and he hasn't made a jump shot (that I can remember) for a while, which is not that uncommon for a Freshman, but he will be a good shooter imo. Jamie, Dexter, and Poor Bear have has some very nice moments and if they continue to improve, will be very nice players. J.B. not an offensive player and probably that role won't be him for most of his career.
We do need to improve on defense but the bottom line is that the "grind" of play is just coming to these young players and most don't do as well in February as they do earlier in the year. We can win at home but we won't be a Top 7-8, mainly because we have so many young players and our Seniors and Juco players aren't good enough to lean on. Team. Hopefully, we win enough home games, and maybe a couple of others. Freshmen don't win Away games or play for league Championships.
Almost 50% of he scoring is gone after this year. Thats a lot.
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Originally posted by lmor1971 View PostFunny how no one calls out Marshall. Blaming MM or SHJ or all new freshman..you guys are so blinded by history that you can't see what is front of you. He is being out coached doesn't know how to coach from behind doesn't know how to coach in this conference. Doesn't see what guys are doing and not doing.
he is panicking you can see it in his face . Keep watching.
it is comical how you guys turn on players and not Marshal. He is captain of the ship it is his to own. No one else.
I believe most posters here realize and understand that Marshall isn't perfect and some fan criticism can occur even among fans who totally support him as our coach.
That brings us to this year, which is probably at the heart of posts like the one I quoted. Put Shamet and Reaves on this team along with Echenique, and McDuffie and there wouldn't be nearly the problems with the W/L record or with fan comments. The projected starting PG (even though he's actually a SG) went to the NBA. The projected backup PG (even though he's also a SG) left the program. The recruiting priority to mitigate the damage from those losses decommited late in the process. That left Marshall looking to JuCo ranks that had already been heavily recruited by other schools. Marshall picked up the "best available" PG left in the JuCo ranks, and that has not worked out well, even though it's way too early to write Torres off.
Marshall is "the captain of the ship", but the ship took a torpedo and Marshall is trying to limp the boat to port to make repairs. When most HS players sign in November and JuCo ranks are pretty much recruited and commitments made by March, it's tough to replace the top 3 players who were expected to play PG in the period between April and June.
It was Linstead who found Midtgaard and convinced Marshall to sign him. I don't think Marshall ever saw AM before he offered. You might notice that Linstead is no longer on the staff. Jones offered scholarships to what seemed like half the state of Florida, but all his offers went to kids already heavily recruited by others and he successfully recruited not a single player. He's gone.
A whole lot of things had to all go bad at the same time for the season we're having to happen.Last edited by Aargh; January 5, 2019, 12:24 PM.The future's so bright - I gotta wear shades.
We like to cut down nets and get sized for championship rings.
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I agree 100%. You also have to go back to the fact that injuries made it to where we couldn’t redshirt Nurger like we wanted. If everything went as planned, we would have a core of Shamet, McDuffie, Reaves, and Nurger right now. But since things fell apart, we are left with McDuffie, SHJ, and 9 newcomers. Gregg Marshall wants to get old and stay old. This team is the exact opposite of what he wants in that regard. But the good news is that these guys will grow up. My prediction is that we will be competitive again by 2020 and top 20 by 2021 once these guys get old.
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Originally posted by Dan View Post... almost all ...freshmen guards are slow to think and are hesitant to make stuff happen...
As often as MM and SHJ go straight into "I'm shooting the ball regardless of any defense thrown up against me" mode, those actions make it pretty clear to the newcomers that the Seniors on the team don't really trust them. That leads to a bit of a "chicken or the egg" question. Do the Seniors not trust the newcomers because the newcomers really can't shoot, or do the shooting woes of the newcomers come from a lack of trust from the Seniors?
The future's so bright - I gotta wear shades.
We like to cut down nets and get sized for championship rings.
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Originally posted by JVShocker(1) View PostIf you're a player, a coach, an assistant coach, the girlfriend of a player, radio announcer or play by play guy...GO AWAY - you should not be here reading this. Ever. If you must, do so with a DUMP TRUCK OF SALT.
Kung Wu say, man who read woman like book, prefer braille!
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Originally posted by Kung Wu View Post
You weren't active when we fired up the interview series were ya?
Assuming that was sarcasm, but on this board, its hard to tell. :bball_spin:
Let's just say that I have been told of things that may have happened following games that may or may not be common knowledge. I guess it could be confirmed if I were to share what I have heard...because if it were not common knowledge, then the proverbial would hit the fan, yes? I cannot be alone in things that may or may not have happened. Sorry to be cryptic, but I eat beans I don't spill them.
If I recall correctly, and my memory is not yet all that bad, I was probably one of the first lucky people to get to see Koch Arena after all of the renovation during the Turgeon years, maybe a month or two before casual fan and certainly before our "beloved" newspaper - in fact I would have called it a guided tour. I believe I even shared a few hundred photos at the time. So no, I missed the interviews, but that doesn't make me any less of a fan, though.:wsu_posters:
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Originally posted by Aargh View Post
I have observed that there hasn't been a true PG recruited who actually made it to campus since VanVleet, and that big guys out of HS have been a rarity. I have noted that nearly half of Marshall's recruits "don't work out".
I believe most posters here realize and understand that Marshall isn't perfect and some fan criticism can occur even among fans who totally support him as our coach.
That brings us to this year, which is probably at the heart of posts like the one I quoted. Put Shamet and Reaves on this team along with Echenique, and McDuffie and there wouldn't be nearly the problems with the W/L record or with fan comments. The projected starting PG (even though he's actually a SG) went to the NBA. The projected backup PG (even though he's also a SG) left the program. The recruiting priority to mitigate the damage from those losses decommited late in the process. That left Marshall looking to JuCo ranks that had already been heavily recruited by other schools. Marshall picked up the "best available" PG left in the JuCo ranks, and that has not worked out well, even though it's way too early to write Torres off.
Marshall is "the captain of the ship", but the ship took a torpedo and Marshall is trying to limp the boat to port to make repairs. When most HS players sign in November and JuCo ranks are pretty much recruited and commitments made by March, it's tough to replace the top 3 players who were expected to play PG in the period between April and June.
It was Linstead who found Midtgaard and convinced Marshall to sign him. I don't think Marshall ever saw AM before he offered. You might notice that Linstead is no longer on the staff. Jones offered scholarships to what seemed like half the state of Florida, but all his offers went to kids already heavily recruited by others and he successfully recruited not a single player. He's gone.
A whole lot of things had to all go bad at the same time for the season we're having to happen.
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Originally posted by ShockCrazy View PostYa'll are crazy. You do realize that not only is Markis our leading scorer, he's our most efficient player this season? Or how about the fact he also has the lowest t/o rate? Stop focusing on the bad with certain players cause you don't like them, it leads to confirmation bias. But yes let's bench our best player who has a chance to make the league(yes he's on the boards) that should really resonate well with recruits.
Echenique has the best player efficiency rating on the team.
25.8 Echenique
21.3 McDuffie
13.8 Udeze
if anything Echenique should be the focus of the offense. That might help McDuffie.
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Originally posted by Stickboy46 View Post
Just saw this too. Great analysis. In all the bad of last night, Poor-Bear was really good. He's very mobile for his size and has now shown some good post moves. If we can just figure out how to consistently get the ball into the post for JE, Poor-Bear, and MU I think we can take that next step. That's a HUGE hurdle with how our guards and seniors play though."I not sure that I've ever been around a more competitive player or young man than Fred VanVleet. I like to win more than 99.9% of the people in this world, but he may top me." -- Gregg Marshall 12/23/13 :peaceful:
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Originally posted by JVShocker(1) View PostAssuming that was sarcasm, but on this board, its hard to tell. :bball_spin:
Kung Wu say, man who read woman like book, prefer braille!
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