Shocks vs UAB Ticket Prices

[Kung Wu]

That was a very solid post '72 and is perfectly presented and covers pretty much all bases.

Some people still are having trouble comprehending what "3rd party promoter" means and that WSU didn't "choose" this opponent.

ST, you're confusing me. 72 just burnt you on a lot of your points and now you're on the same page as him? Color me lost.

If you can't afford $17 tickets, then you can't afford season tickets or you can't afford to go to Koch for a game. Pretty simple as that.

I said in my first post that it was good financial move for WSU to take advantage of this promoter's efforts.

HCGM expressing a desire to play one game a year at IBA doesn't mean they have to, but in this case, the financial benefits out weigh the lack of a marquee type game. However, being very happy with the Tulsa game doesn't say anything about future games....it's a frigin' WSU/Tulsa game for heavens sake. Short of a few top non-BCS schools like Gonzaga, Xavier, Butler, maybe GM because of their history with WSU, no other team, short of being a BCS team of interest, is going to out draw Tulsa.

Die hard Shocker fans will not make or break this game. By and large, most all will be there. However, die hard Shocker fans does not equal everyone that goes to games at Koch. Students, corporate seats, and let's not forget those that "like" to go to the games, but have family in town or will out of town that weekend. There seems to be those on this board that feel 95% of the Shocker fans are as avid as they are.

72 expressed my same concerns in his last paragraph. He proposed 3 questions and gave his personal answers to those. I agree with 1 and 3. So, if there is one difference in our posts, it's that I don't believe HCGM would have a lesser opinion of Shocker fandom (unless it was really, really badly attented) because it's not that big of game to make that statement.

I didn't feel '72 and I were that different, but glad to clarify anything that you thought that we were.

First you argue because you have been nipping at the sauce a little bit and aren't reading quite right.

Then you sober up but make an argument to convince others (but mainly yourself) that you actually believe what you were arguing about when you were drunk.

Then you try and argue your way out of the original argument by claiming how everyone is misinterpreting what you said originally when you were on the sauce.

Then after losing the original argument AND the back-peddling argument you start nipping at the sauce again to relieve the stress ... and wake up the next morning to find out you accidentally started a new argument in another thread.

Shocktalk has finally transitioned to part 3 of the 4 part argument plan. Time to run to the liquor store!

[shockmonster]

When discussing these issues, you have to take into consideration that some fans on Shockernet are more of the bandwagon variety and they consider the Shockers to be more entertainment and they are less of a fan for it. They are more apt to make value judgements on whether the Shockers are good enough for their support, if IBA is a good enough arena for them to spend their money, whether the opposing team is good for their support, etc. before they decide to go the game. We all do that to a certain extent, but some more than others. This year the Shockers are good so they bring up other issues.

[Kung Wu]

When discussing these issues, you have to take into consideration that some fans on Shockernet are more of the bandwagon variety and they consider the Shockers to be more entertainment and they are less of a fan for it. They are more apt to make value judgements on whether the Shockers are good enough for their support, if IBA is a good enough arena for them to spend their money, whether the opposing team is good for their support, etc. before they decide to go the game. We all do that to a certain extent, but some more than others. This year the Shockers are good so they bring up other issues.

That's a legitimate point, that some people aren't necessary diehard WSU fans per se, but enjoy going to Shox games mainly for good entertainment. I doubt many of those people spend much time on Shockernet though?

[SubGod22]

I simply can't afford the IBA game and I'm not willing to go outside my budget for UAB.

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

I simply can't afford the IBA game and I'm not willing to go outside my budget for UAB.

That is completely understandable, Sub. And I dont think those saying step up or shut up are talking to you and those in your position. I(they) are talking to the ones who dont see this as the first step to making it possible to have a BCS team come to Wichita to play the Shox.

WSU almost wound up with a bigger name school. It fell through when promoters realized they didnt think they could sell the tickets at the price to make money or at least break even.

[GorHoops]

I think a game at IBA is good for WSU for recruiting purposes. I know the guys love playing in Koch, but most of them have NBA dreams and playing in an arena that is similar in many ways to an NBA arena has to be a great experience for the players. I bought tickets to both games this year at IBA, as well as the women's tourney last year for another reason, I am dying for the NCAA tourney to come to IBA and I think the NCAA will look at every game played in the Arena and gauge the support when deciding whether to reward Wichita with NCAA games in the future.

[martymoose]

I simply can't afford the IBA game and I'm not willing to go outside my budget for UAB.

My wife has always disliked the fact that when it comes to WSU I throw the "budget" out the window.

[SubGod22]

I simply can't afford the IBA game and I'm not willing to go outside my budget for UAB.

My wife has always disliked the fact that when it comes to WSU I throw the "budget" out the window.

I wish I could. Hell, my season tickets aren't really in my budget but I've done it anyway. I may have to give those up as well if things go like I hope they do in the near future.


Hopefully, this game does well enough that we can start getting a little bigger/better name in. Maybe a hot start will help. The day after Thanksgiving isn't going to help though. I do think it will get less than what Tulsa did.

[tropicalshox]

I simply can't afford the IBA game and I'm not willing to go outside my budget for UAB.

My wife has always disliked the fact that when it comes to WSU I throw the "budget" out the window.

She should be thankful it's not for a few other things.

[vbird53]

I simply can't afford the IBA game and I'm not willing to go outside my budget for UAB.

That is completely understandable, Sub. And I dont think those saying step up or shut up are talking to you and those in your position. I(they) are talking to the ones who dont see this as the first step to making it possible to have a BCS team come to Wichita to play the Shox.

WSU almost wound up with a bigger name school. It fell through when promoters realized they didnt think they could sell the tickets at the price to make money or at least break even.

Downtown, what's this final point? Shox had somebody else on the hook, but it fell through?

If so, getting UAB is a pretty nice back-up to a game that fell through. Sure, we'd all rather have Syracuse, but they don't leave upper NY til conference season.

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

I simply can't afford the IBA game and I'm not willing to go outside my budget for UAB.

That is completely understandable, Sub. And I dont think those saying step up or shut up are talking to you and those in your position. I(they) are talking to the ones who dont see this as the first step to making it possible to have a BCS team come to Wichita to play the Shox.

WSU almost wound up with a bigger name school. It fell through when promoters realized they didnt think they could sell the tickets at the price to make money or at least break even.

Downtown, what's this final point? Shox had somebody else on the hook, but it fell through?

If so, getting UAB is a pretty nice back-up to a game that fell through. Sure, we'd all rather have Syracuse, but they don't leave upper NY til conference season.

This is only what I was told, and it was the promoters had another opponent almost committed, but they backed out when money couldn't get to where it needed to be.

WSU had nothing to do with it. We were offered $XX to play a game at Intrust and accepted the offer.

[shox1989]

If Ellis chooses WSU then I think we easily sell out the UAB game (and all of the other home games).

I know he wouldn't be playing until next year, but his committment to WSU would create such a euphoria that people woulld buy up this years tickets too.

[ShockerFever]

I simply can't afford the IBA game and I'm not willing to go outside my budget for UAB.

Don't take this the wrong way Sub, but $17 isn't in your budget?

Again, don't take it like I know your financial situation, because I don't. I'm just thinking if you could afford season tickets, most could afford a $17 ticket.

[Snapshot9]

I simply can't afford the IBA game and I'm not willing to go outside my budget for UAB.

Don't take this the wrong way Sub, but $17 isn't in your budget?

Again, don't take it like I know your financial situation, because I don't. I'm just thinking if you could afford season tickets, most could afford a $17 ticket.

I don't think the $17 is the problem, it would be the seat you would get for $17, and the fact to get a good seat you have to pay a lot more.

[ShockerFever]

I simply can't afford the IBA game and I'm not willing to go outside my budget for UAB.

Don't take this the wrong way Sub, but $17 isn't in your budget?

Again, don't take it like I know your financial situation, because I don't. I'm just thinking if you could afford season tickets, most could afford a $17 ticket.

I don't think the $17 is the problem, it would be the seat you would get for $17, and the fact to get a good seat you have to pay a lot more.

Again, that goes back to the original point of you get what you pay for. Shocker fans shouldn't be spoiled and expect $17 seats in the front rows for a basketball game. That's not the way it is at Koch. It's not gonna be this way at IBA.

I think this goes with basic economic ideas. The more you pay for something, the better the return. The less you pay, the less the return. My main point is Sub can still enjoy his favorite team in his hometown (yes from an upper view but still viewable) against a decent opponent for less than the price of a ticket to any game he'll be watching inside Koch.