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  • #46
    Games thru 2/22:

    Team W L % ppgOff ppgDef MoV SOS Played SOS Rem SOS Total Avg SOS Played Avg SOS Remain
    CINCY 13 2 0.867 71.5 54.2 17.3 381.99 90.23 472.22 25.5 30.1
    WSU 12 3 0.800 82.9 70.9 12.0 379.11 110.35 489.46 25.3 36.8
    UH 11 4 0.733 73.7 64.7 9.0 402.74 53.25 455.99 26.8 17.8
    TULSA 10 5 0.667 72.0 70.1 1.9 344.06 89.01 433.07 22.9 29.7
    UCF 8 7 0.533 59.1 59.1 0.1 396.18 94.02 490.20 26.4 31.3
    UM 8 7 0.533 70.1 72.0 -1.9 415.79 28.59 444.38 27.7 9.5
    TEMPLE 7 8 0.467 69.1 70.7 -1.7 425.64 76.60 502.24 28.4 25.5
    UCONN 6 9 0.400 65.7 71.5 -5.8 407.93 83.93 491.86 27.2 28.0
    SMU 6 9 0.400 65.1 64.5 0.5 390.54 79.34 469.88 26.0 26.4
    TLN 4 11 0.267 72.3 77.1 -4.8 365.46 85.69 451.15 24.4 28.6
    ECU 4 11 0.267 66.3 76.3 -10.0 376.61 90.14 466.75 25.1 30.0
    USF 1 14 0.067 58.9 75.5 -16.6 410.45 68.15 478.60 27.4 22.7

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    • #47
      The American will be a five bid league I’m calling it now!
      Why walk somebody in baseball when you can hit them?
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      • Cdizzle
        #47.1
        Cdizzle commented
        February 24, 2018, 12:21 AM
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        Which are your 5? I think it will be 3, with 4 requiring someone outside the current top 3 winning the conference tournament. Unless you think the NCAA is going to somehow find ludicrous speed on their molasses boat.
      • DUShock
        #47.2
        DUShock commented
        February 24, 2018, 08:48 AM
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        I “like” your enthusiasm and hope it is true, within adverse impact to WSU’s seeding potential. I just don’t see it happening. In short, it is possible but not probable.

        Go Shocks!
    • #48
      WSU, Cincy and Houston auto. Temple wins the rest of their games and loses in the championship game and get in because of their résumé. Then either Tulsa or UCF win the tourney.
      Why walk somebody in baseball when you can hit them?

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      • Cdizzle
        #48.1
        Cdizzle commented
        February 24, 2018, 12:31 AM
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        So, none of the teams with a combined .886 win% against the other 9 teams in the league are making the championship game. Bold pick. Hope it doesn't happen.
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    • #49
      I'm happy with 3 getting in, quality over quantity.

      If Temple can win some games and make it 4 that would be nice but they are so inconsistent that I don't think they'll do it.
      Its a good landing if you can walk away, its a great landing if the plane can be reused the next day.
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      • #50
        I just want to shove it in the face of the MVC.
        Why walk somebody in baseball when you can hit them?

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        • Cdizzle
          #50.1
          Cdizzle commented
          February 24, 2018, 12:45 PM
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          Meh. Screw em. I just want my team to get a good seed and win the thing. I really don't give a crap how/where that happens.
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      • #51
        It’s for all the schools that thought we were making a basketball only decision. Trying to say baseball and volleyball won’t benefit because of it.
        Why walk somebody in baseball when you can hit them?

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        • #52
          It’s gonna be pretty awesome if we pull out a win today on the road and then if Tulsa finds a way to knock off Cincinnati tomorrow. Memphis knocked Houston out of the mix at least for now. The three way share thing is probably not likely anymore.

          theres still a small chance we could win this thing outright but we need Tulsa to work some magic. Here’s to Henderson going off for 30 and effectively being a shocker ally. Once a shocker always a shocker

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          • WheatShock
            #52.1
            WheatShock commented
            February 24, 2018, 07:18 PM
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            I'd rather end up being the only team that Cincy lost to at home this year. None of this matters if we can't beat Cincy at CKA anyway even if they do somehow lose to Tulsa or Tulane. A conference title is still a title even if its shared.

            I'm more concerned that our team is playing like they drank the koolaid about how great they are for winning at Cincy.
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        • #53
          Looking at the bracket now, it looks like it you probably be better to be the 3 or 4 seed, rather than the 2. Temple/Tulane seems a much tougher matchup than others listed.
          The Assman

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          • #54
            Good point, ShockTop -- When the announcers commented on that 7 vs. 10 matchup toward the end of the broadcast, that put a big premium on avoiding the #2 seed, especially for WSU, because the 8 vs. 9 Connecticut-SMU pairing to produce an opponent for #1 is much less scary. But even that pairing could lead to a game against SMU with Milton back, which might be no picnic.

            And maybe Tulane will sneak up to the #9 spot, so who knows? There's potential danger lurking everywhere, whether the Shocks end up #1 or #2, although I suppose #3 is still theoretically possible too, considering the two tough games left.

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            • #55
              Updated thru 2/26



              Team W L % ppgOff ppgDef MoV SOS Played SOS Rem SOS Total Avg SOS Played Avg SOS Remain
              CINCY 14 2 0.875 72.1 55.4 16.7 406.90 71.72 478.62 25.4 35.9
              WSU 13 3 0.813 83.0 71.4 11.6 420.56 73.93 494.49 26.3 37.0
              UH 12 4 0.750 75.9 64.3 11.6 410.41 50.18 460.59 25.7 25.1
              TULSA 10 6 0.625 72.1 70.9 1.3 400.85 37.38 438.23 25.1 18.7
              UM 9 7 0.563 70.9 72.4 -1.5 443.99 3.76 447.75 27.7 1.9
              UCF 8 8 0.500 58.9 60.1 -1.1 434.43 61.72 496.15 27.2 30.9
              TEMPLE 8 8 0.500 69.4 69.8 -0.4 451.79 55.04 506.83 28.2 27.5
              UCONN 6 10 0.375 66.5 72.2 -5.7 428.90 68.71 497.61 26.8 34.4
              SMU 6 10 0.375 65.9 65.8 0.1 429.29 45.09 474.38 26.8 22.5
              TLN 5 11 0.313 72.8 76.6 -3.8 383.30 73.93 457.23 24.0 37.0
              ECU 4 12 0.250 65.8 78.3 -12.6 425.25 48.37 473.62 26.6 24.2
              USF 1 15 0.063 59.4 75.7 -16.3 431.05 53.51 484.56 26.9 26.8
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            • #56
              WSU is now locked in to a top 3 conference finish and top 3 conference tournament seed.

              If my understanding of the tiebreaker rules are correct, WSU needs 1 win to VERY likely be the 1 or 2 seed.

              IF WSU wins out, WSU will be the 1 seed by virtue of either outright championship or head-to-head tiebreaker with Cincy.


              IF WSU beats UCF and loses to Cincy, AND Houston wins out(Cincy 16-2, WSU 14-4, UH 14-4), the tiebreaker for 2/3 seed with UH will come down to where Memphis and Temple finish in the standings. WSU is the 2 seed if Memphis is higher (WSU 1-0, Houston 0-1). Houston is the 2 seed if Temple is higher (WSU 1-1, Houston 2-0). Memphis is currently 1 game up on Temple, and has 2 home games vs. USF and ECU remaining. IF Memphis and Temple end the season tied, then seeding WSU/UH will likely depend on the result of the UH/SMU game (where a UH win gives them the 2 seed via better record against SMU, and a UH loss gives WSU the 2 seed via better record against Tulane.)

              In the very unlikely event that WSU loses to UCF, WSU beats Cincy, Cincy loses to Tulane, and UH wins out (3-way tie at 14-4), WSU would receive the 1 seed via round-robin record within the group (WSU 3-1, UH 2-2, Cincy 1-3).

              In the even less likely event that WSU and Cincy tie at 14-4 and UH loses a game, Cincy would be the 1 seed due to better record against whichever or SMU, Temple, UCF came first in the standings.

              In summary:
              It would have been nice to win one of the 3 games we lost.
              Unbalanced schedules are the worst.
              WSU is in a pretty good spot.
              WSU is in control of its own destiny.
              Last edited by Cdizzle; February 26, 2018, 03:17 PM.
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              • Cdizzle
                #56.1
                Cdizzle commented
                February 26, 2018, 12:54 PM
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                For those of you following along at home(with head spinning), what does this mean to you:

                WSU will play Friday, March 9th. Order of likelihood of gametime/channel:
                A. 6PM CT ESPNU (2 seed)
                B. 11AM CT ESPN2 (1 seed)
                C. 8PM CT ESPNU (3 seed)
                WSU will NOT play in the 1PM CT game.

                TV Schedule: http://www.theamerican.org/sports/20...20Central.aspx
                Last edited by Cdizzle; February 26, 2018, 01:07 PM.
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              • ShockTalk
                #56.2
                ShockTalk commented
                February 26, 2018, 12:54 PM
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                Thanks!
            • #57
              Originally posted by Cdizzle View Post
              WSU is now locked in to a top 3 conference finish and top 3 conference tournament seed.

              If my understanding of the tiebreaker rules are correct, WSU needs 1 win to VERY likely be the 1 or 2 seed.

              IF WSU wins out, WSU will be the 1 seed by virtue of either outright championship or head-to-head tiebreaker with Cincy.


              IF WSU beats UCF and loses to Cincy, AND Houston wins out(Cincy 16-2, WSU 14-4, UH 14-4), the tiebreaker for 2/3 seed with UH will come down to where Memphis and Temple finish in the standings. WSU is the 2 seed if Memphis is higher (WSU 1-0, Houston 0-1). Memphis is the 2 seed if Temple is higher (WSU 1-1, Houston 2-0). Memphis is currently 1 game up on Temple, and has 2 home games vs. USF and ECU remaining. IF Memphis and Temple end the season tied, then seeding WSU/UH will likely depend on the result of the UH/SMU game (where a UH win gives them the 2 seed via better record against SMU, and a UH loss gives WSU the 2 seed via better record against Tulane.)

              In the very unlikely event that WSU loses to UCF, WSU beats Cincy, Cincy loses to Tulane, and UH wins out (3-way tie at 14-4), WSU would receive the 1 seed via round-robin record within the group (WSU 3-1, UH 2-2, Cincy 1-3).

              In the even less likely event that WSU and Cincy tie at 14-4 and UH loses a game, Cincy would be the 1 seed due to better record against whichever or SMU, Temple, UCF came first in the standings.

              In summary:
              It would have been nice to win one of the 3 games we lost.
              Unbalanced schedules are the worst.
              WSU is in a pretty good spot.
              WSU is in control of its own destiny.
              The loss at Temple in particular smarts. We were up most of the 2nd half and choked. Win that game and we are likely playing for the outright title on Sunday.
              Its a good landing if you can walk away, its a great landing if the plane can be reused the next day.
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              • #58
                Originally posted by WheatShock View Post
                The loss at Temple in particular smarts. We were up most of the 2nd half and choked. Win that game and we are likely playing for the outright title on Sunday.
                Given a choice, I'd rather have the win over Houston for several reasons.
                Kung Wu say, man who read woman like book, prefer braille!

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                • WheatShock
                  #58.1
                  WheatShock commented
                  February 26, 2018, 03:19 PM
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                  I chose the Temple game because we were right there at the end and really should have won. We blew leads in BOTH regulation and OT. In both the Houston and SMU losses we never had a 2nd half lead.

                  Given a choice I would take a win over Houston.
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              • #59
                Originally posted by Cdizzle View Post
                Updated thru 2/26



                Team W L % ppgOff ppgDef MoV SOS Played SOS Rem SOS Total Avg SOS Played Avg SOS Remain
                CINCY 14 2 0.875 72.1 55.4 16.7 406.90 71.72 478.62 25.4 35.9
                WSU 13 3 0.813 83.0 71.4 11.6 420.56 73.93 494.49 26.3 37.0
                UH 12 4 0.750 75.9 64.3 11.6 410.41 50.18 460.59 25.7 25.1
                TULSA 10 6 0.625 72.1 70.9 1.3 400.85 37.38 438.23 25.1 18.7
                UM 9 7 0.563 70.9 72.4 -1.5 443.99 3.76 447.75 27.7 1.9
                UCF 8 8 0.500 58.9 60.1 -1.1 434.43 61.72 496.15 27.2 30.9
                TEMPLE 8 8 0.500 69.4 69.8 -0.4 451.79 55.04 506.83 28.2 27.5
                UCONN 6 10 0.375 66.5 72.2 -5.7 428.90 68.71 497.61 26.8 34.4
                SMU 6 10 0.375 65.9 65.8 0.1 429.29 45.09 474.38 26.8 22.5
                TLN 5 11 0.313 72.8 76.6 -3.8 383.30 73.93 457.23 24.0 37.0
                ECU 4 12 0.250 65.8 78.3 -12.6 425.25 48.37 473.62 26.6 24.2
                USF 1 15 0.063 59.4 75.7 -16.3 431.05 53.51 484.56 26.9 26.8
                I don't understand the remaining SOS or any of the SOS metrics. Does Memphis have the toughest or easiest schedule remaining? I realize this like asking your Algebra teacher about that whole FOIL thing the day before finals.
                Wichita State, home of the All-Americans.
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                • Cdizzle
                  #59.1
                  Cdizzle commented
                  February 26, 2018, 01:46 PM
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                  Probably because the metrics are made up by me and not explained that well.

                  Basics:
                  It's based on kenPom ratings, and adjusted for home/away.
                  Values indicate raw remaining difficulty, so bigger is more difficult.
                  Memphis has BY FAR the easiest remaining schedule in the league: home games against USF and ECU.

                  As noted in a post above, that easy schedule for Memphis, could be important for WSU winning a potential tiebreaker with Houston for the 2 seed.
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              • #60
                Originally posted by Cdizzle View Post
                In summary:
                It would have been nice to win one of the 3 games we lost.
                Unbalanced schedules are the worst.
                WSU is in a pretty good spot.
                WSU is in control of its own destiny.
                I dunno, I still like the unbalanced schedules for seeding purposes. Sure, they're based on preseason ranking, but I like that our conference tries to get the best wins available for teams that could be heading to the Dance.

                Great summary tho.
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                • Cdizzle
                  #60.1
                  Cdizzle commented
                  February 26, 2018, 01:47 PM
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                  I'm not going to argue they aren't doing the unbalanced schedule in the best way, I just really like true double-round-robins. Figuring out the seeding and who really deserves different seeds is a mess.
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                • pogo
                  #60.2
                  pogo commented
                  February 27, 2018, 10:59 AM
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                  If you win its not a problem..Its a problem when you lose any games:)
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