MVC BracketBuster games

[shox1989]

Look. My problem is not the teams/games we get matched up with.

It has more to do with who is NOT participating in it. No Atl-10, no C-USA, no MWC, no Gonzaga, and this year, no Butler (yes, I know why).

One of the bigget problems with MVC teams and recruiting is they do not have great TV markets or exposure. The lure of TV exposure that BB gives is probably too much for the league to pass up at this point. However, it does no good (and perhaps even hurts) if you don't take care of business.

A realignment of the teams in the MVC is perhaps due for some serious evaluation.

The MVC has more TV exposure than ever before. Even better than the days of the Valley of Death (nobody had a lot of national TV exposure back then)

WSU will be on national TV 9 (6 games on espn2, 3 on espnU) or 10 times (Championship game on CBS) this year with at least 4 more games on regional TV (5 times if we win one game in St. Louis).

I don't think we need the BB for one more game on the espn family. This is the second year in a row that WSU has had this kind of national TV exposure.

Of course the Valley may have fallen so badly that we won't be able to renew the current TV contracts and then we may need the TV exposure from the BB.

WSU games this year on espn2: UCONN, Chaminade, Bradley, @UNI, VCU, @SWOMO; WSU games on espnU: UVA, @Bradley, SWOMO; WSU games on Fox Sports Net: UNI, CU, Round 1 MVC Tourney, Round 2 MVC Tourney The MTN: @SDSU.

Not to mention that most of the remaining games were seen across the state of Kansas on COX KANSAS 22.

[ShockerFever]

Anyone wanting the Valley to get out of the BB is witnessing how it waited one year to long to so. It has now firmly placed itself as a conference of also-rans. The MVC has placed the Atl-10, MWC, and C-USA a clear step above.

Also, don't look for the MWC to renew our conference challenge when that time comes.

I agree. When this event first started the Valley was so much better than the other conferences in this thing. The Valley went undefeated that first year (4-0) and totally dominated the little one bid conferences the first few years.

Now we have fallen to their level and the MVC will be totally embarrassed by the little one bid conferences this year.

We waited too long to get out of this travesty. Now we are one of them.

Four straight years as a one bid conference is going to make recruiting much harder and will make it harder for any Valley school to keep a good coach.

:-x

We suck because we play in the BB event? We have now proven that we aren't even good enough for the BB event. If we're too good for BB"s, like you seem to constantly be championing around, then we would have done better than 3-7 in it. The Valley ate itself.

The one time we all get together against similar competition we lay a freaking egg. I guess we should replace this thing with the 200+ RPI patsies in November and get 9 wins and make everybody feel happy.

You seriously come off as a chickenshit. We play decent OOC teams and get the floor wiped with us and you don't wanna play em because we can't beat em.

What absolutely horrible logic.

We SUCK and it's not because of BracketBusters. Own up for once in your life.

[ShockerFever]

Anyone wanting the Valley to get out of the BB is witnessing how it waited one year to long to so. It has now firmly placed itself as a conference of also-rans. The MVC has placed the Atl-10, MWC, and C-USA a clear step above.

Also, don't look for the MWC to renew our conference challenge when that time comes.

I don't see how you can blame the decline of the MVC on Bracket Busters. The fact that we are doing so poorly in the event is a symptom of a weak conference but not necessarily the cause.

Even if we had bailed out the of the BB this year it would not change the fact that the conference is down and has been for several years now.

I am not blaming the entire demise of the Valley on the BB. I just think it is just one of the contributing factors.

Associating yourself with nothing but other one bid conferences can not be a good thing for your image.

There is a reason Gonzaga dropped out of this event (after one time), Tulsa dropped out, Butler has dropped out and the upper level non-BCS conferences don't participate (MWC, A-10, C-USA).

What is that old saying, you are known by the company you keep.

The West Coast, Horizon, CAA, Valley are not typically one-bid leagues. I have no clue why you think we're better than BB's and on the same level as the MWC when:
a.) We got schooled in the MWC challenge
b.) We got schooled by supposedly "subpar teams/conferences" in the BB.

You just don't get it.

[ShockerFever]

The way I look at it the Bracket Busters provides the Shocks and the MVC an opportunity to make a statement with a few of their better teams on national TV.

Of course, this is a two-edged sword that can cut you on the other side if you blow it and that the MVC has done big time this year.

I have no problem getting out of the BB but not if it means we replace it with another Alabama A&M or Georgia Southwest AT&T.

The problem with the BB is not so much with the BB itself, but with our performance in the BB. Dominate the BB and prove that you are a cut above. Do that for a few year's in a row and then maybe you can move on to something better.

Exactly.

You have idiots here thinking BB is the fault for the Valley sucking when it's simply just the Valley sucking.

We're proving we can't even compete in this thing and you have people thinking we're too good for this thing, better than it, and should abandon it.

We get national tv exposure. We get a great home and home series. We get a great opportunity at a Top 50/100 win.

Instead of another Alabama A&M on the schedule, we get VCU. Next year, our home schedule just got better thanks to Utah State coming in.

Some of you have completely lost it.

[ShockerFever]

If we shred ourselves of the BB, we will have 2 more slots for games. I have to believe that we could get two decent teams (rpi top 100) to replace the BB game and the BB return game..

Why does one BB game count for two slots? Explain that math to me please.

Are you saying VCU is not a decent team? They're Top 60 in the RPI and are consistently at that spot so that bodes well for next year's schedule, and one less game we have to worry about scheduling.

If it's so easy getting those types of games, how come we don't have more of them on the schedule?

Your logic is mindbogglingly flawed.

[shox1989]

The way I look at it the Bracket Busters provides the Shocks and the MVC an opportunity to make a statement with a few of their better teams on national TV.

Of course, this is a two-edged sword that can cut you on the other side if you blow it and that the MVC has done big time this year.

I have no problem getting out of the BB but not if it means we replace it with another Alabama A&M or Georgia Southwest AT&T.

The problem with the BB is not so much with the BB itself, but with our performance in the BB. Dominate the BB and prove that you are a cut above. Do that for a few year's in a row and then maybe you can move on to something better.

Exactly.

You have idiots here thinking BB is the fault for the Valley sucking when it's simply just the Valley sucking.

We're proving we can't even compete in this thing and you have people thinking we're too good for this thing, better than it, and should abandon it.

We get national tv exposure. We get a great home and home series. We get a great opportunity at a Top 50/100 win.

Instead of another Alabama A&M on the schedule, we get VCU. Next year, our home schedule just got better thanks to Utah State coming in.

Some of you have completely lost it.

Up until this year the Valley HAS dominated this event (WSU being the exception as the only Valley team with a losing BB record).

Dominating this event for 8 years really hasn't helped the Valley. Now in the 9th year we go 3-7.

After playing in this event for 8 years, we have finally reduced ourselves down to the level of our competition.

When we started playing in this thing, we were viewed as being one of the best non-BCS conferences. Our annual rpi backed it up and we were a regular multiple bid conference.

And even though our conference rpi remained very good for the last 3 years (we were #7 last year), we became a one bid conference.

Now this year our rpi is that of a one bid conference and our performance in the BB certainly bears that out.

It is very, very sad to see the Valley sink so low. The perception of being a one bid conference is now reality.

[SHOXAAC]

If we shred ourselves of the BB, we will have 2 more slots for games. I have to believe that we could get two decent teams (rpi top 100) to replace the BB game and the BB return game..

Why does one BB game count for two slots? Explain that math to me please.

Are you saying VCU is not a decent team? They're Top 60 in the RPI and are consistently at that spot so that bodes well for next year's schedule, and one less game we have to worry about scheduling.

If it's so easy getting those types of games, how come we don't have more of them on the schedule?

Your logic is mindbogglingly flawed.

You two can debate out the other stuff, but the "math" is the current BB matchup, plus the return game from the previous BB two years ago. So next year we will play Utah State and the current BB game.

[shox1989]

If we shred ourselves of the BB, we will have 2 more slots for games. I have to believe that we could get two decent teams (rpi top 100) to replace the BB game and the BB return game..

Why does one BB game count for two slots? Explain that math to me please.

Are you saying VCU is not a decent team? They're Top 60 in the RPI and are consistently at that spot so that bodes well for next year's schedule, and one less game we have to worry about scheduling.

If it's so easy getting those types of games, how come we don't have more of them on the schedule?

Your logic is mindbogglingly flawed.

The two games comes from the BB game for this year, and a return game from a previous year.

VCU is a top 100 team. If we had 2 open slots on our schedule (from eliminating the BB contractual games) we should be able to find 2 more top 100 rpi teams to replace them.

VCU would be a good team to schedule (as would a George Mason or a Utah State). But I would rather play them in December. Not as part of an elimination game that disrupts our conference schedule in late February.

There is virtually nobody involved in the BB that we couldn't schedule a home and home with if we really wanted to (none of the teams are of the caliber that would turn down a home and home with a WSU).

[Metalkatz]

Anyone want to post a way to contact Doug Elgin so we can all write him and demand to put back in place the scheduling restrictions or else we will find someone who will?

[ShockerFever]

The way I look at it the Bracket Busters provides the Shocks and the MVC an opportunity to make a statement with a few of their better teams on national TV.

Of course, this is a two-edged sword that can cut you on the other side if you blow it and that the MVC has done big time this year.

I have no problem getting out of the BB but not if it means we replace it with another Alabama A&M or Georgia Southwest AT&T.

The problem with the BB is not so much with the BB itself, but with our performance in the BB. Dominate the BB and prove that you are a cut above. Do that for a few year's in a row and then maybe you can move on to something better.

Exactly.

You have idiots here thinking BB is the fault for the Valley sucking when it's simply just the Valley sucking.

We're proving we can't even compete in this thing and you have people thinking we're too good for this thing, better than it, and should abandon it.

We get national tv exposure. We get a great home and home series. We get a great opportunity at a Top 50/100 win.

Instead of another Alabama A&M on the schedule, we get VCU. Next year, our home schedule just got better thanks to Utah State coming in.

Some of you have completely lost it.

Up until this year the Valley HAS dominated this event (WSU being the exception as the only Valley team with a losing BB record).

Dominating this event for 8 years really hasn't helped the Valley. Now in the 9th year we go 3-7.

After playing in this event for 8 years, we have finally reduced ourselves down to the level of our competition.

When we started playing in this thing, we were viewed as being one of the best non-BCS conferences. Our annual rpi backed it up and we were a regular multiple bid conference.

And even though our conference rpi remained very good for the last 3 years (we were #7 last year), we became a one bid conference.

Now this year our rpi is that of a one bid conference and our performance in the BB certainly bears that out.

It is very, very sad to see the Valley sink so low. The perception of being a one bid conference is now reality.

The BB event started in 2004. The Valley was a multi-bid league before BB, and during BB. 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007. So half the years we had BB's we were a multiple bid conference. To think that we aren't that way because of this event is absolutely ludicrous. We aren't getting multiple bids because of these notable reasons:
a.) the schedule rules were eliminated and now we know longer schedule like we used to
aa.) therefore we don't get big OOC wins because we don't play anybody like we used to
b.) coaching turnover (We're still a very young coaching league)
c.) overall talent level may be slipping

You are basically stating that we should abandon BB because of one bad year and because we can't beat the teams in it. If we're too good for BB, why did we just get boatraced in it? If we're as good as you think we are, we should dominate it every year. When THAT HAPPENS, then come back and talk to me about getting out of it. It's put up or go home.

If you can't win at home vs. VCU, you ARE NOT an at-large worthy team.
If you can't win on the road at Valparaiso, you ARE NOT an at-large worthy team.
If you can't win at home vs. George Mason, you ARE NOT at at-large worthy team.
If you can't win at home vs. Morehead State, you ARE NOT an NIT-worthy team.
If you can't win on the road at Akron, you ARE NOT a CBI-worthy team.
If you can't win on the road at Murray State, you ARE NOT a CBI-worthy team.

Is this sinking in for you yet? If we are who you think we are, we don't flunk out like this.

Butler, Gonzaga, and the like don't participate because they don't NEED to, and because they dominated it so bad, they are BETTER than it. We ARE NOT.

[SHOXAAC]

If we shred ourselves of the BB, we will have 2 more slots for games. I have to believe that we could get two decent teams (rpi top 100) to replace the BB game and the BB return game..

Why does one BB game count for two slots? Explain that math to me please.

Are you saying VCU is not a decent team? They're Top 60 in the RPI and are consistently at that spot so that bodes well for next year's schedule, and one less game we have to worry about scheduling.

If it's so easy getting those types of games, how come we don't have more of them on the schedule?

Your logic is mindbogglingly flawed.

The two games comes from the BB game for this year, and a return game from a previous year.

VCU is a top 100 team. If we had 2 open slots on our schedule (from eliminating the BB contractual games) we should be able to find 2 more top 100 rpi teams to replace them.

VCU would be a good team to schedule (as would a George Mason or a Utah State). But I would rather play them in December. Not as part of an elimination game that disrupts our conference schedule in late February.

There is virtually nobody involved in the BB that we couldn't schedule a home and home with if we really wanted to (none of the teams are of the caliber that would turn down a home and home with a WSU).

My concern is would HCGM look at it this way. I wouldn't want those potential 50-100 RPI games turn into 150-200 RPI games. Like some other posters, I think the BB is good for us, because at this point in our progression it guarantees a quality opponent that will positively feed our at-large resume. It is then on us to win those games...no different than if we scheduled that game on our own.

[ShockerFever]

If we shred ourselves of the BB, we will have 2 more slots for games. I have to believe that we could get two decent teams (rpi top 100) to replace the BB game and the BB return game..

Why does one BB game count for two slots? Explain that math to me please.

Are you saying VCU is not a decent team? They're Top 60 in the RPI and are consistently at that spot so that bodes well for next year's schedule, and one less game we have to worry about scheduling.

If it's so easy getting those types of games, how come we don't have more of them on the schedule?

Your logic is mindbogglingly flawed.

You two can debate out the other stuff, but the "math" is the current BB matchup, plus the return game from the previous BB two years ago. So next year we will play Utah State and the current BB game.

Starting next year, I guess you're right. So basically, shox1989 thinks we can get better games than at home vs. Utah State and at VCU on the schedule. That makes a lot of sense. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[proshox]

Scheduling restrictions has nothing to do with the quality of the teams in the MVC. It may have impacted the RPI, but it has no correlation with talent, coaching, or execution. If the valley teams are terrible as at least five teams currently are, playing tougher schedules will only help to validate their ineptitude...

[ShockerFever]

If we shred ourselves of the BB, we will have 2 more slots for games. I have to believe that we could get two decent teams (rpi top 100) to replace the BB game and the BB return game..

Why does one BB game count for two slots? Explain that math to me please.

Are you saying VCU is not a decent team? They're Top 60 in the RPI and are consistently at that spot so that bodes well for next year's schedule, and one less game we have to worry about scheduling.

If it's so easy getting those types of games, how come we don't have more of them on the schedule?

Your logic is mindbogglingly flawed.

The two games comes from the BB game for this year, and a return game from a previous year.

VCU is a top 100 team. If we had 2 open slots on our schedule (from eliminating the BB contractual games) we should be able to find 2 more top 100 rpi teams to replace them.

VCU would be a good team to schedule (as would a George Mason or a Utah State). But I would rather play them in December. Not as part of an elimination game that disrupts our conference schedule in late February.

There is virtually nobody involved in the BB that we couldn't schedule a home and home with if we really wanted to (none of the teams are of the caliber that would turn down a home and home with a WSU).

George Mason, VCU, St. Mary's don't seem to have problems with the games in the middle of their conference season. *ANOTHER LAME EXCUSE ALERT* :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Ok, if we can just so easily schedule these teams, how come they aren't on the schedule, or haven't been in the last 5 years? Under the Marshall regime, he has gotten one decent home and home series - Tulsa. That's one series started in the last 4 years. *ANOTHER NONSENSICAL COMMENT ALERT* :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[SHOXAAC]

If we shred ourselves of the BB, we will have 2 more slots for games. I have to believe that we could get two decent teams (rpi top 100) to replace the BB game and the BB return game..

Why does one BB game count for two slots? Explain that math to me please.

Are you saying VCU is not a decent team? They're Top 60 in the RPI and are consistently at that spot so that bodes well for next year's schedule, and one less game we have to worry about scheduling.

If it's so easy getting those types of games, how come we don't have more of them on the schedule?

Your logic is mindbogglingly flawed.

You two can debate out the other stuff, but the "math" is the current BB matchup, plus the return game from the previous BB two years ago. So next year we will play Utah State and the current BB game.

Starting next year, I guess you're right. So basically, shox1989 thinks we can get better games than at home vs. Utah State and at VCU on the schedule. That makes a lot of sense. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

You're going to be stunned by this, but I agree with you. BB in general will give us two 50-100 RPI games each year. Some years maybe a 25-50 RPI game.